Das Riech Wehrpass

[Edward]

Hello,

Looking at the Wehrpass several things stand out that are odd.

The Max Spekowious listed in the Wp was born 28.06. 1916. The one listed from the casualty web site was born 15.06.1915! There are data inaccuracies in the casualty system so this could be an error. Also, from the scans on page 12 his last active military service only goes until 1.2.44. However, the signal batallion of Das Reich was taking part in the Ardennes Offensive on the Western Front during the date listed as missing 01.01.45 in East Prussia! As there are no further entries placing him in East Prussian IMHO, the missing individual from the casualty listing is most likely not the same person from the Wp.

He may possibly have been on leave, or recovering as a casualty in East Prussia during that time as he was from that area, but the earlier mention of a lack of any entires to support such an hypothesis is not there.

Regards

[Gary T]

Well, I didn't even look at that. The EK1 and Sturmabzeichen entries would be enough to put me off. Another classic.

Hello,

Looking at the Wehrpass several things stand out that are odd.

The Max Spekowious listed in the Wp was born 28.06. 1916. The one listed from the casualty web site was born 15.06.1915! There are data inaccuracies in the casualty system so this could be an error. Also, from the scans on page 12 his last active military service only goes until 1.2.44. However, the signal batallion of Das Reich was taking part in the Ardennes Offensive on the Western Front during the date listed as missing 01.01.45 in East Prussia! As there are no further entries placing him in East Prussian IMHO, the missing individual from the casualty listing is most likely not the same person from the Wp.

He may possibly have been on leave, or recovering as a casualty in East Prussia during that time as he was from that area, but the earlier mention of a lack of any entires to support such an hypothesis is not there.

Regards

[MVV]

Is this the classical fake EK 1 entry ? or are we talking about a North German Fake stamp here ?

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Edward thanks for start this tread !

[MVV]

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[Kuifje69]

Gary,


I also am very curious what is classic to these entries??

Would you please expalin?

Regards,

Rene

[Gary T]

The stamp is original - as it would be. It is authenticating the Ostmedaille award. Not the EK1 and Sturmabzeichen awards.

The EK1 and Sturmabzeichen have been added afterwards. Post-war - I'd be 99% certain of that. By probably the same persons\group of persons who do all the others.

[Gary T]

Gary,


I also am very curious what is classic to these entries??

Would you please expalin?

Regards,

Rene

Classic as in the writing, putting fake entries underneath orginal stamps and signatures. Of course it can't be proved...short of writing to WaSt. They might be original but I doubt it.

There are more fake entry EK1 WPs on the market than there are originals these days.

[MVV]

further i the book there is on page 21 another entry for the Kraftfahr-Bewährungsabzeichen in bronze ..

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[MVV]

this is no doubt original to the book and pre 45 done ...

But the one who wrote this entry , wrote also the on page 23 the entry sturmabzeichen

Compare the matching writing by abzeichen

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page 21


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and page 23 ( the fake entry as Gary stated...)


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[Edward]

Hello Marc,

Thanks for providing the link and additional scans. In this case I am not certain as to the authenticity of the awards in question. I think both Gary and I can agree that various placing of entries into the award boxes of Wp's are sometimes found that do not conform to examples one normally finds. I am sure we have various types that would illustrate this point. However, IMO the cramming of the EKI entry at the tail end of the Ost Medal entry, followed by the Sturmabzeichen, without award date...all on the same line is most odd.

Regards

[MVV]

Edward ,

I don't think the EK i entry is 'crammed' into the box , there is place enough and the handwriting is placed beneath of the award entry's..

[nellyp51]

WOW, good shots..

[MVV]

another ex. of 'filled lines' , also the 'forgotten' entry for the DKiG... different handwritings and strange EK1 entry ....no stamp .... again a forgery ??

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[Edward]

Edward ,

I don't think the EK i entry is 'crammed' into the box , there is place enough and the handwriting is placed beneath of the award entry's..

Hello Marc,

Good point, meaning crammed I am not alluding either way as to the entry's authenticity. However, I have never seen a war-time WSS Wp showing parts or all of three award entries on the same line. In all fairness I do have examples of Heer Wp's to pre-war officers that are similar as to award entries. Thanks also for the further award close-ups. They look good to me.

Regards

[Gary T]

another ex. of 'filled lines' , also the 'forgotten' entry for the DKiG... different handwritings and strange EK1 entry ....no stamp .... again a forgery ??

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No...but what does this prove in this? Of course there are non-standard entries found including those crammed in.