Help - rare german ss cross - help

[Militaria-Roman]

Hello to all friends,
I come to you for this rare German silver cross, fabric version of the SS-Obergruppenführer Dr.Ernst Kaltenbrunner.
It comes with a certificate of authenticity from "Helmut Weitze Militärische Antiquitäten", but I prefer the WAF opinion in addition.
He has a photo file, where we see Dr. Ernst Kaltenbrunner's daughter selling that Germany cross.
WAF's opinion is very important to me.
Thank you in advance for your opinions and your time.
Beautiful day.

[Militaria-Roman]

Help - rare german ss cross - help

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Hello to all friends,
I come to you for this rare German silver cross, fabric version of the SS-Obergruppenführer Dr.Ernst Kaltenbrunner.
It comes with a certificate of authenticity from "Helmut Weitze Militärische Antiquitäten", but I prefer the WAF opinion in addition.
He has a photo file, where we see Dr. Ernst Kaltenbrunner's daughter selling that Germany cross.
WAF's opinion is very important to me.
Thank you in advance for your opinions and your time.
Beautiful day.

[Wim Vangossum]

Never saw this before. It does look very well made IMO.

Regards Wim

[AntiqueWW2]

The only German Cross from Kaltenbrunner i know was a Silver one and sold by HH Auctions together with his Bloodorder. This one here as far as i see is a Gold one. Not bad done but for me not good enough and when it is Gold then it can't be from Kaltenbrunner. Not one i would want to own. If this one comes with a COA from Helmut, then please post that one too.

[Tony T-S]

It may be my screen, but I would have said gold until I compared it to the wire around the swaz, which looks to be the same colour. So may be silver but the computer monitor isn't helping.

[Militaria-Roman]

Helmut Weitze Militärische Antiquitäten Expertise

At the request of some members, I enclose here the certificate of authenticity of the house Helmut Weitze Militärische Antiquitäten.

[Militaria-Roman]

Good morning, everyone,
Thanks for the first answers.
OK, if we forget about history, and focus on the play, can it be true?
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And if we go back over the history of SS-Obergruppenführer Dr. Ernst Kaltenbrunner, I can't find anywhere that he got a silver German Cross, considering his rank at the end of the war, it is possible that he got the gold cross...

[AntiqueWW2]

Kaltenbrunner got the German Cross in Silver, he only had one, this one was sold at HH Auctions and bought there from Weitze. Somewhere along the Line from HH to this COA the Dog was burried....i should know soon what went wrong here. The Cross you posted is very clear a private made GC in Gold, and has nothing to do with Kaltenbrunner. Compare it to the Cross from HH at the Picture i posted, that should be enough.

Kaltenbrunner was awarded with the German Cross in Silver at the 22. Oct. 1943 as Chief of the Reichssicherheits Hauptamt.

[Militaria-Roman]

Kaltenbrunner got the German Cross in Silver, he only had one, this one was sold at HH Auctions and bought there from Weitze. Somewhere along the Line from HH to this COA the Dog was burried....i should know soon what went wrong here. The Cross you posted is very clear a private made GC in Gold, and has nothing to do with Kaltenbrunner. Compare it to the Cross from HH at the Picture i posted, that should be enough.

Kaltenbrunner was awarded with the German Cross in Silver at the 22. Oct. 1943 as Chief of the Reichssicherheits Hauptamt.

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Thank you for your answer.
If you read the certificate, which I have, it describes the cross as a silver cross.
I found this cross here in Switzerland, and the seller tells me he bought it from Weitze.
The address on the certificate confirms it. And he's got the special delivery box from"Helmut Weitze Militärische Antiquitäten" in more of that.

[kaiserwilhelm2]

For sure a beautiful piece - for sure private purchase and hand made. Period? Not sure - it might be although the inner red circle, the wreath and year could have been executed a lot more precisely - all of which is done much better in the cross sold via HH. The quality of the workmanship gives me pause now that I have looked at it a couple of more times. IMO this should have been done better in a period piece for a high ranking member of the Nazi elite.

IMO colourwise it could be a silver cross.

Can anything be said about the grey fabric that it is on? - which is also different.

If it is period, did it belong to Kaltenbrunner? - who knows. Probably no way to be sure that it did unless a picture turns up with him wearing it.

[AntiqueWW2]

Yes, and the Seller sure is correct, since it was bought from Weitze. Only Problem is, it is not the Cross what was sold at HH Auctions, and that Cross was the only one Kaltenbrunner had. Something went wrong as you can clearly see. Maybe Weitze messed up the Crosses, maybe one of his Employees messed it up, would not suprise me.....but this is not Kaltenbrunners German Cross. The Family sold the Estate from Kaltenbrunner with the Help from HH Auctions. And that Cross was not part of that Group, be sure about that.

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Thank you for your answer.
If you read the certificate, which I have, it describes the cross as a silver cross.
I found this cross here in Switzerland, and the seller tells me he bought it from Weitze.
The address on the certificate confirms it. And he's got the special delivery box from"Helmut Weitze Militärische Antiquitäten" in more of that.

[Militaria-Roman]

I agree with all of you, we will never, if it really belonged to Dr. Ernst Kaltenbrunner.
I think it's better, if it remains uneventful...
It's a pity, but let's look at it as a great stuff, and talk about its originality as such, but not about its history...