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    #31
    Originally posted by Sevrin View Post
    Is there a reverse shot of the entire medal bar somewhere? Would very much like to see that.
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      #32
      Originally posted by Chet Sowersby View Post
      Exchanging of medals on medal bars is not unheard of. Sometimes quite obvious and other times not so much. The original EK2 may have been rusty or whatever. It did not match the condition of the other medals on the bar. In this case whomever swapped the EK did not know his EK2s and substituted a bad cross. The rest of this bar is fine but beyond a doubt the EK2 is a well known fake. Time to move on.....

      Chet

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        #33
        Originally posted by Chet Sowersby View Post
        Exchanging of medals on medal bars is not unheard of. Sometimes quite obvious and other times not so much. The original EK2 may have been rusty or whatever. It did not match the condition of the other medals on the bar. In this case whomever swapped the EK did not know his EK2s and substituted a bad cross. The rest of this bar is fine but beyond a doubt the EK2 is a well known fake. Time to move on.....

        Chet
        Thanks Chet! My answer is almost the same as yours. But before answering, I would like to wait for the photo and make sure that someone interfered in the design of the medal bar. Sincerely.

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          #34
          I am a biologist, I love science because science is rational and is based on repeated tests and detailed analysis. Therefore, once it has been proven that the cross is not easily removable, I proceed to dissect the bar, for two reasons, analyze and eliminate a hypothetical fake. The first thing I observe is that it is not the classic medal bar where its pieces are crocheted and easily removable and interchangeable. All the decorations are sewn from their origin, that is, the pin was built like this, it has never been altered, its pieces have not been replaced.
          Once I have seen everything in depth, I can only say that if that cross is a fake, as the crossing specialists say, the whole bar was built after the war, and in a very professional way. Perfectly sewn, with its cotton to give volume and protection, with original decorations (outside the EK2), original ribbons and a base with pin and hook that matches other period pieces.
          If as the specialists affirm, the cross is fake, this bar is a very very dangerous piece and made by an authentic professional.

          Ah... EK2 is not mark marked.

          Regards
          Jose
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            #35
            To collectors of iron crosses who wish to have this "dangerous" cross, I put this piece to sell.

            http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...54#post8594154

            Regards
            Jose


            SOLD!!!
            Last edited by Iam Al Bandy; 12-10-2019, 01:45 PM.

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              #36
              wow you decided to disassemble it ! What an good attitude! This is true honesty.

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                #37
                Hi Jose and everyone else! Based on what I saw and read, I dare to assume that we have an original cross. A copy was taken from the exact same cross and became known as a fake "333". There are no other explanations for this phenomenon! It is unfortunate that the bar is now lost forever. Jose! Say tape were stretched tightly on the bar?
                In my practice, there was a very similar problem, which is why I reacted so sharply to this discussion!

                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=930762
                Last edited by Edward 1970; 12-10-2019, 06:14 PM.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Edward 1970 View Post
                  Hi Jose and everyone else! Based on what I saw and read, I dare to assume that we have an original cross. A copy was taken from the exact same cross and became known as a fake "333". There are no other explanations for this phenomenon! It is unfortunate that the bar is now lost forever. Jose! Say tape were stretched tightly on the bar?
                  In my practice, there was a very similar problem, which is why I reacted so sharply to this discussion!

                  http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=930762

                  Thank you for your input, Edward 1970. Thank you very much. I've been collecting German pieces from the 1933-45 period for 20 years. A decade specializing in ordensspange. But I am not a great expert in EK2. For that reason, if several people tell me, completely sure, that the cross is a fake, I must trust their opinion. In my experience, if that cross is fake, the bar is fake, and made by a professional. Now ... if the cross is not a fake, for me the medal bar WAS 100% original. Now there is no solution.
                  This is one of the problems, and at the same time great virtues of collecting, rarely 100% sure. But I could not keep or sell a piece that is not original. Now there is no going back....

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                    #39
                    Hi everyone
                    Unfortunately - the 100% cross is fake (333).
                    Thank you Jose for the photographic documentation. The person who created this bar medal put a lot of work into it.
                    greetings
                    Maciej

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                      #40
                      Thanks Maciej!
                      Regards
                      Jose

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Eryk View Post
                        Hi everyone
                        Unfortunately - the 100% cross is fake (333).
                        Thank you Jose for the photographic documentation. The person who created this bar medal put a lot of work into it.
                        greetings
                        Maciej
                        My medal “4 years in the SS” was also considered 100% fake until more competent specialists were found who recognized it as the original.
                        This iron cross is different from the fakes "333" and therefore I consider it to be the original and I also consider the medal bar to be the original. Time to move on.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Edward 1970 View Post
                          My medal “4 years in the SS” was also considered 100% fake until more competent specialists were found who recognized it as the original.
                          This iron cross is different from the fakes "333" and therefore I consider it to be the original and I also consider the medal bar to be the original. Time to move on.

                          Edward - you can believe what you want. Me and several other more competent experts consider this cross to be a fake.
                          Jose - thank you again for the great approach to the problem.
                          greetings
                          Maciej

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Eryk View Post
                            Edward - you can believe what you want. Me and several other more competent experts consider this cross to be a fake.
                            Jose - thank you again for the great approach to the problem.
                            greetings
                            Maciej
                            My opinion is based on a comparative analysis, and your opinions are just opinions.
                            Regards, Ed.

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