The Two S&L Dies for RK's

[George Stimson]

Does the apparent fact that S&L was using a certain new core die in the 1980s necessarily mean that they were also using it for RK restrikes in the late '40s, the '50s, the '60s, and the '70s?

[Brian S]

There's no proof to the contrary. But there is proof they were using a different core later on. Let's stick to what we know. How many times have I heard that mantra. The rest is all speculation this is fact.

[George Stimson]

Okay, fair enough.

[Dietrich Maerz]

Brian,

do you mean with "Period. Done. Finished with it", that all B-Type S&L crosses which do NOT have this new core with the flat beading in the 57 2nd type frame are pre-45?

Or do you mean that some are and some aren't?

It is my strong opinion that somewhere between the 935-4 (last with provenance) and the heavily flawed zinc core B-Type "post-45" started. With the B-Type frame and the original core.

And "NO", I don not know with which model this happened. This point is purely believe. Detlev Niemann includes the '935' into the post war already, as you know.

Dietrich

[Harry]

Dietrich,
One feature I have not been able to fit in with the time line is the appearance of the 'Blip' on the lower 9 o'clock frame. This feature is seen on:
-Flawless postwar crosses with Swaz, zinc cores, and iron cores. Type B frames
-Heavily fleawed post-war 'crosses with Swaz Type B frames, zinc cores
-Flawless 1957 pattern crosses
-Heavily flawed 1957 pattern crosses

And yet there are genuine wartime type b frames (on the 935-4 marked crosses) which have flaws, but no Blip.

What timeline can we establish??

[Dietrich Maerz]

Harry,

this is a very interesting point! First of all - regarding your obsrvation - the blip can only be found on B-Type frames. However, not on the frist one, i.e. the 935-4. So it seems to be another mark for determination!

I think more data is needed! How about the following B-Types:

- 800-4
- 800
- 935

Do those have the blip or not? This would help a lot in establishing a time line, but still would not tell anything about the cut off between post and pre 45.

Dietrich

[Brian S]

Without having to read thirty threads, please show a photo of the blip.

[VIPER]

Yes...Plese post a picture of the blip and I will check my 800/4. Several people including Steve Wolfe believe the 800/4s were a little earlier than the 935/4s. This would make sence if the die was damaged and production ceased leaving a few 800 sheets of silver, unfinished and the die was repaired resuming production with the leftover 800 silver sheets and the new 935 silver sheets and now being marked with the manditory 4 stamping. Just a theory. Whay say you all.....Jimmy

[Dave Kane]

Thanks to Harry....

[VIPER]

No........Not there. I beleive the above KC has a non magnetic core. Mine has the standard magnetic core...........Jimmy

[Dietrich Maerz]

I just checked another 800-4 and it has no blip also.

Dietrich

[VIPER]

Maybe we are starting to see a time line crystalizing. The blip may indicate damage to the origional die post war. If no 800/4s or 935/4s have the blip can it not be assumed that those that do are all post war......Jimmy

[Dietrich Maerz]

I think that would be very premature! Why would the blip apear on May 8th 1945? It could also apear on any date before or after the war ended. However, the time between the production of the 935-4 and the war ended is a lot shorter then the time between the 8th of may and let's say 1960.

The only thing that can be said so far is that any cross with a blip was produced after any cross w/o a blip. Do all 935-4 don't have a blip? Do all 800-4 don't have a blip?

Dietrich

[Harry]

I had a 935 on approval, it had a MAGNETIC core and had the 'Blip'. I have checked my 935-4 cross..No Blip.

[Brian S]

I don't have a bloody blip on mine.