Picked up this EK1 and looks like to be an infamous marked L15. It does have a what looks like a defect at the top of the cross. Could this be an original Otto Schickle or a repro Floch? Any help would be appreciated!
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Looks like a Floch fake
Take a look in this thread http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=348546
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Hello Andy,
Many thanks for the link! It inspired me to do some research on the web and I found this information.
Floch retaining hook "on all iron cross first class reproduction......form letter "C". This one does not have that.
On the Floch hinge on the L15 it is not near the top of the cross and this one has it almost to the top and the pin goes all the way to the bottom. Floch pins do not go to the bottom or nearly as long as this one.
The Floch "1939" sits very low and this one does not. The ribs in the right had corner of a Floch overlap and this one does not.
Also I found this while searching on the web. The "pimple" or (defect as I called it) at 12 o'clock position is correct. Please see post #10
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=48700
"L15 is for Otto Schickle, Pforzheim.
It is believed that parts were often supplied by one manufacturer to another. I think off the top of my head Zimmerman and Godet shared parts on their EK1's (someone correct me if I am wrong).
As I said before Schickle used frame parts from Orth and Souval as L15 EK1's are often seen with identical frames as made by both manufacturers.
The easy way to spot an Orth frame is by the pimple on the 12' O'clock position."
So I looked this up to confirm this and found this Orth EK1 on emdeals, which has this "pimple" at the 12 o'clock position.
https://www.emedals.com/germany-a-ca...h-orth-of-wien
So after all this research I believe this is an original L15 Otto Schickle EK1 and I am hope others will confirm this or not? Many thanks!
Originally posted by AndyC View PostComment
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IMHO this is neither a Schickle nor a fake but a good F. Orth.Comment
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A good example of a Orth EK1 for me as well. Besides, I wouldn't want to argue with the guy who wrote the book.....
ChetZinc stinks!Comment
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Hello Sir,
Thank you for your comment and very glad to hear it is an original, but the pin is marked L15 (Schickle) and not 15 (Orth). Please see below. Just wondering about your opinion is about this?
Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View PostComment
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I know that and I saw that. Schickle is L/15, not L15. It is a long story, but L15 is Orth, but not always. Very complicated!Comment
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IMO this the piece a wartime period Orth front & inner core ,but on the back plate the hook type not used Orth , this on the pin solution with mm L15 often occur the postwar made Orth types (there is always a debate about these that war or postwar types)
IMO this te piece a wartime period parts ,but made in after war .
on the pictures ,IMO here is a good Orth type with mm L15 ( of course this is my opinion )Comment
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Same hook is used on some 15 marked crosses.Comment
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here are my different types / therefore said /
but possible that exist and surely you are right, but I haven't met this type yet type hook
/this is a older pictures have yet one mm L/14 SB type /Comment
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