EK2 Franz Jungwirth envelope / tüte review ,and help ,

[sanya13]

hí guys
I found this the ek2 envelope
the maker :

Franz Jungwirth
Wien 7

I've never met this manufacturer before and never not see on list neither.

but found same on the text a " Mutterkreuz " Verwundeted abceichen " & "" KRIEGSVERDIENSTKREUZ " envelope

IMO the text same

What do you think about it ?

I just these known they non made EK2

Karl Hensler
Eugen Schmidthäußler
Paul Kust
Wilhelm Hammesfahr
Franz Breuning
Gottlieb Roll und Söhne
Louis Gottlieb und Söhne
Carl Forfster & Graf


my list is incomplete ?

THX the help and the answer

[sanya13]

Verwundeted abceichen " & "" KRIEGSVERDIENSTKREUZ " envelope

[spunkmaja]

The EK2 package is a fake.

Same style exists on Ostmedaille and Wound badge fake envelopes.

Your posted wound badge/KVK2 envelope are fine.

/Jonas

Ostmedaille fake envelope:

[spunkmaja]

Wound badge fake envelope:

[sanya13]

Hí Jonas

Thx the answer , but interesting,because I've neither hear about this the packet maker in EK2.

This the Mutterkreuz packet original and on the packet have same ( big the similarity) stamp have.

I therefore thinked that worth a question.


ps: sorry the pictures not the best ,because very vague (the result of magnification) ,but this just the similarity comparison picture )

[spunkmaja]

Hi Sanya,

For sure it's interesting, that is why I am into collecting stuff

I see the similarities in the Mutterkreuz/EK2 envelope stamps.

But, I still see this as a fake envelope based on my first feeling when I saw it. It does not fit. Then there is these other fake Jungwirth envelopes (Ostmedaille/Wound badge) out there. So for a faker I would also try to produce other common envelopes like EK2, KVK2 etc.

/Jonas

[sanya13]

yes I agree with you ,but the stamp looked good, and I living with " Dietrich's word"


"""" F. Jungwirth is not mentioned as one of the suppliers of the EK2 in the early documents of the Präsidialkanzlei. I seriously doubt that he was an early manufacturer (because of the round 3 in the packet). I have no idea about the later years. The whole topic is very difficult with nearly 6 Million EKs made. We only know less than 2-3% and should sometimes not make any determination based on one or two examples. Time might tell … or not. """

thx the opinions and answers

Hi Sanya,

For sure it's interesting, that is why I am into collecting stuff

I see the similarities in the Mutterkreuz/EK2 envelope stamps.

But, I still see this as a fake envelope based on my first feeling when I saw it. It does not fit. Then there is these other fake Jungwirth envelopes (Ostmedaille/Wound badge) out there. So for a faker I would also try to produce other common envelopes like EK2, KVK2 etc.

/Jonas

[Douglas 5]

Interesting - yes .
Appears to be 2 fake stamps .? An attempt to 'improve ' on the first fake ... we see this with fake EKs also .
The first fake - IMO - is way off .
Wonder if that is : WIEN 1 - one or WIEN 7 ?? Seven has 'cross bar' on it normally back then ?

Douglas

[sanya13]

hí my friend ,then the "mutterkreuz" envelope neither good ?

[Douglas 5]

Jonas said - the EK2 packet is fake .
Mother cross packet stamp looks like the same stamp as the EK2 .
Picture not that good .... probably not good ?

Douglas

[sanya13]

thx my friend