Spanish EK1, 2xEK1 and KVK 1 for review.

[NikiT]

Hi guys.

Would be super if you could check if you can see anything odd with these crosses.
Can't really spot anything alarming myself, except the Spanish made which I don't know well enough to judge it. Also, would like to hear a little about those Spanish made crosses in general if you have info to share. I know they were made and had quite distinctive look but since there doesn't seem to be too many going around, making comparison is quite hard.
Here are the links:
https://www.ratisbons.com/29th-Conte...nish-made.html

https://www.ratisbons.com/29th-Conte...crew-back.html

https://www.ratisbons.com/29th-Conte...ba6046975758cb

https://www.ratisbons.com/29th-Conte...-Deschler.html

All the best.
-N
PS. I haven't bough anything from this site before, but heard that it should be relatively trustworthy.

[sanya13]

the first a known copy
2. a good S&L SB
3. a good Deumer
4 a good Deschler with mm 1

[NikiT]

the first a known copy
2. a good S&L SB
3. a good Deumer
4 a good Deschler with mm 1

Many thanks for your comment Sanya!
-N

[Byakkotai]

About the Spanish EK I:

There are documented Spanish EK II made of molten metal from an original german made EK II (same characteristics). They are considered "authentic" Spanish EK II (made in the 40's-50's period). Nothing documented about EK I (that's the first time I see an EK I like this). The medal was, probably, made with a german EK II mold (reliable if was made in one piece), but I don't have answer for the hinge, needle and catch beacuse they are absolutely unusual in an Spanish EK I made.

Regards

Ricardo

[NikiT]

About the Spanish EK I:

There are documented Spanish EK II made of molten metal from an original german made EK II (same characteristics). They are considered "authentic" Spanish EK II (made in the 40's-50's period). Nothing documented about EK I (that's the first time I see an EK I like this). The medal was, probably, made with a german EK II mold (reliable if was made in one piece), but I don't have answer for the hinge, needle and catch beacuse they are absolutely unusual in an Spanish EK I made.

Regards

Ricardo

Thanks Ricardo. I appreciate it. Maybe staying away from that field would be best for me for now at least :> However these "curiosities" are always interesting.

Niki

[Byakkotai]

You have one of them waiting in my web...(absolutely original 40's-50's of course)...

Ricardo

[sanya13]

Hí Ricardo

I show what I mean thinked .
here are the pictures

- on th first picture ,this the type cross have better in condition ,but with a known type pin with fake L15 mm by Floch.
- on the second picture same the cross type and same pin variant but here the "hook" not wire ,but flat wire solution
therefore I thinked ,that what I wrote

About the Spanish EK I:

There are documented Spanish EK II made of molten metal from an original german made EK II (same characteristics). They are considered "authentic" Spanish EK II (made in the 40's-50's period). Nothing documented about EK I (that's the first time I see an EK I like this). The medal was, probably, made with a german EK II mold (reliable if was made in one piece), but I don't have answer for the hinge, needle and catch beacuse they are absolutely unusual in an Spanish EK I made.

Regards

Ricardo

[Byakkotai]

Yes Sandor. Spanish EK I are made in brass (one piece made) and that's not the case. Obverse is very similar to the Spanish EK II of the 40's - 50's period documented and I can not made an opinion 100% of it. But reverse and material (not brass) is absolutely bogus.
You're right...again.
Best Regards
Ricardo

[boch_62]

?????

Regards
Jarek

Yes Sandor. Spanish EK I are made in brass (one piece made) and that's not the case. Obverse is very similar to the Spanish EK II of the 40's - 50's period documented and I can not made an opinion 100% of it. But reverse and material (not brass) is absolutely bogus.
You're right...again.
Best Regards
Ricardo

[Byakkotai]

?????

Regards
Jarek

Jarek I don't understand symbol language, sorry.

Maybe the problem is because I'm talking about brass? Spanish medals were made in "latón" (sometimes in some magnetic alloy) in one piece (pressed o stamped). The translation of "latón" is "brass" (sorry but english is not my best), but even when the seller is talking about "brass" (putting there all king of metal alloys) the medal is not made from "latón". You only need to compare with the medals acredited as authentics. The medal is not stamped/pressed, seems to be a cast fake.

But, of course....I can be wrong.

Ricardo

[boch_62]

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[boch_62]

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[boch_62]

Let's start from the beginning - below examples of the EK1-1939 crosses of Spanish production, but only one of these is maybe war-time ...

Regards
Jarek

[boch_62]

... but these EK1-1939 crosses, which Sanya show it's other matter, IMO.

This cross signed "L15", it's popular fake (Austrian's, Floch's or other...), but the second cross EK1 is IMO very early EK1-1939, before entering the regulationand of PKZ and LDO.

Below comparison of such cross EK1-1939 and EK2-1939. It is a difficult and ambiguous topic.

Regards
Jarek

[boch_62]

"working comparison"

Jarek