Early Schinkel EKI & KVK

[Henri S]

Not sure about these two awards. I'll start of with the early 3 piece magnetic Schinkel. I thought early ones were one piece. What I don't like is the date is low, outer frame too big and not sure about the pin. Am I right? I have never handled a schinkel ek1, but something I intend to add to my collection, so your comments are more than welcome.

[Henri S]

Reverse of Schinkel

[Henri S]

And here is an L/12 Juncker KVK 1st Class without swords. I have not managed to establish if this one is correct or not, mainly the mm and hinge.

[Henri S]

The maker mark.

[Henri S]

Thanks for looking and I look forward for your comments .

[franki]

Hello Henri S,

as first a short remark to the Schinkel EK1:
I am sorry but it is definitely a copy. Hindge and needle does not match to a genuine one.
To the KVK: It is not my field but I have got here a bad gut feeling too. Needle loooks like the cross one, rugged and bulky.

Best Franki

[mads]

Hello Henri,

Sorry to have to ruin your day, but these two does not look good in my opinion.
On the schinkel I agree with franki here, and on the KVK I am quite sure it is bad....The pin is too wide on this one too.

Mads

[stdub]

Hello Henri,

you should tell us who offers these crosses - seems like we have the same man as in this thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=Ground

If yes, this man is a big fake seller!

Best wishes

Joerg

[stdub]

Just found the fake seller:

It is VENUS2000 on:

http://www.militariaweb.com/advancedsearch.cfm

Stay away!!!!

[Frank Heukemes]

Both are definitely fakes.

[Henri S]

Thanks all for your responses, and good to know that I was on the right track to have my doubts about the awards in question. These I did find from browsing here and there. Both did not pass my authenticity test and just wanted to confirm.