Opinions on 2 kvk2 ?

[carlhungus]

Hello all,

May I have your opinions on these 2 kvk2 ?

First one is from Deschler & Sohn (mm1)





Second one is from Roman Palme, Gablonz (mm87)





Thanks in advance,

[carlhungus]

I know some fakes exists (at least for mm1). Do you think they both originals ?
thanks.