EK2 unmarked 109?

[Yubari]

I believe # frame 109?

[Yubari]

as well as this one? Received some crosses so making evidence.

[sanya13]

IMO Brehmen

[Douglas 5]

I think both are made by Brehmer . .. one pedestaled and one not pedestaled center .

Douglas

[boch_62]

Sorry, but for me it is evident Rettenmaier (= 16)

Regards
Jarek

[Douglas 5]

What makes you call the unm 16s ?
No corner chip .

Douglas

[sanya13]

I agree with Douglas and the one of piece have a pedestal on the swastikapQUOTE=Douglas 5;8356654]What makes you call the unm 16s ?
No corner chip .

Douglas[/QUOTE]

[Douglas 5]

Interesting ... Rettrnmsier does not have the other corner flaws .
I have found the cross that has the same flaws ... which is a S&L cross .
Brehmer normally has thicker beading - which these do not have .???

Douglas

[boch_62]

Interesting ... Rettrnmsier does not have the other corner flaws .
I have found the cross that has the same flaws ... which is a S&L cross .
Brehmer normally has thicker beading - which these do not have .???

Douglas

Hi Douglas,

First of all, it is well known that 80% of signed Rettenmaier crosses have a typical flaw (=corner chip), but 20% have none

Second, look at the pictures of the signed (16) cross of Rettenmaier. Similar?

... but I have no intention of convincing anyone. Everyone knows their ...

Regards
Jarek

[Douglas 5]

Yes Jarek ....
I had a very good look at the last 2 pictures you posted .
Yes - they are both absolutely identical - slightly different die wear only .
And - both have the typical Rettenmaier corner chip as marked .
Rettenmaier frames are from S&L .
The cross at the start still is a S&L .

Douglas

[boch_62]

Hi Douglas

I understand that the cross signed "16" without corner-chip is the cross S&L ...


Have you seen any other cross with those defects of the frame that you show on photo ?
I do not.
And so, they are accidental, production defects, unique in other crosses. We find such defects sporadically at every producer. IMO.
Crosses were made only by people, not vending machines ... see Maybauer's crosses from various periods of production ...
But I think that further discussion in this topic does not make sense anymore, as I wrote, everyone knows what want

Regards
Jarek

[Douglas 5]

Here are some crosses :

So Yubari : you decide now .

Douglas

[Yubari]

information gathered/exchanged here are just priceless!

Thank you for that! Imo not matching my Rettenmaiers so I would say it has a chance what Douglas writes.

[boch_62]

Sorry Douglas, but you manipulate photos.
The cross about which we speak has a marked swaz on pedestal (please see photo). That's why Sanya recognized Brehmer (=13).
In fact, we have 3 crosses from the swaz on the pedestal: Brehmer (=13), Rettenmaier (=16) or Souval (=98).
Here the problem is the choice between Brehmer and Rettenmarier, but You really want to prove that it's S&L.
Sorry, but I wish You only good luck.

Best Regards
Jarek

[Yubari]

then it can mean, that S&L supplied Brehmer with frames? at some point?