S&L Salesman's case RK

[Jelle M.]

Were you the highest bidder William?
Interesting lot for sure.

[all1knew]

[Brian S]

Can you zoom in better on the L/1? on the Spain Cross gold?

[all1knew]

Can you zoom in better on the L/1? on the Spain Cross gold?

only photos I have at the moment.

Tried to enhance it a little for you.

William Kramer

[Brian S]

Hmmmmm, this is what I expect to see on a wartime SK by S&L.


Maybe someone else has some non SK marks that match yours.

[all1knew]

Yep it's marked for deumer which was a maker right down the road.

Not the first time I've seen seen something made by another firm incorrectly marked.

I had a knights cross which was featured in the book that was a textbook Juncker yet marked L/13 and used as their stock.

William Kramer

[Brian S]

Oh Deumer, was assuming we were talking S&L. Better photos when you get in hand will be interesting.

[all1knew]

interesting to see the gold is upside down.

William Kramer

[Brian S]

Looks nice.

[Norm F]

Hi William,

Could you please show any more photos of the KM badges? I see the Deumer Minesweeper, Destroyer and Blockade Breaker but I can't make out the makers of the others.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Leroy]

It's interesting to see this topic re-visited after so long (so everyone can argue again).

On Manteuffel, I believe his staff had a field set made and that S&L copied it because he was a popular guy. The elongated swords on his set already existed and were standardly available from S&L (and perhaps others, too) as a device for medal bars.

Brian, on the earlier board with with 3 SK's w/o swords, I believe the gold was a mistake left over from earlier days and probably some worker soldered on a pin (likely marked "4" ) to stick it on a board for, as you said, symmetry. (That's a guess since are are no "rear" photos of the badges in the black and white boards photo.) When the SK was introduced, there was confusion about the design (see the cover of the box for the Next-of-Kin award and the cross with alternating eagles as published by Doehle, an example of which was shown here by Patrick not too long ago). Wouldn't surprise me a bit if someone at S&L jumped the gun and started making a few gold w/o swords pieces, before some supervisor told him "Hey, dumbass, they authorized a bronze with and w/o swords, a silver with and w/o swords, and a gold with swords, but not a gold w/o swords".

God only knows what was still sitting around in the Ludenscheid factories at the end. Never bombed and pretty prolific in their production, you can bet it was a lot.

[all1knew]

Hi William,

Could you please show any more photos of the KM badges? I see the Deumer Minesweeper, Destroyer and Blockade Breaker but I can't make out the makers of the others.

Best regards,
---Norm

When I get them in hand I will properly photograph everything.

William Kramer

[Alex W.]

God only knows what was still sitting around in the Ludenscheid factories at the end. Never bombed and pretty prolific in their production, you can bet it was a lot.

i’m sure there were some wonderful surprises