Pin back KvK. !st or 2nd Class?

[coldsteel61]

Hello all,
Would like your opinions on this pin back KvK.
I think it's a 1st class but, it's kinda hard to tell.
As always I appreciate your time and expierience.

Tom

[coldsteel61]

two more

[ATTACH]3987372[/ATTACH]

[ATTACH]3987373[/ATTACH]The 3 looks odd to me,original or no?

[rbminis]

If the reverse is smooth and it has a pin or screw back, it is a 1st. class.
This is a nice original by Wilhelm Deumer and the maker mark is correct.
Ralph.

[coldsteel61]

Thanks!

Thanks rb for the very quick reply.
It looked good to me, but I really couldn't tell by the wash that was remaining if it was 1st or 2nd class.
I truly appreciate the information, never even noticed the finish difference.

Thanks again, Tom

[Jean-Claude]

Nice Deumer 1st class in zink

As Ralph said the difference is easy enough to ID irrespective of how much finish is left (even on later zink pieces): the first class is a one sided pin back cross while the second class is 2 sided (1939 onback wreath) bronze coloured cross with a ribbon loop at top

JC

[RonR]

Nice Deumer 1st class in zink

As Ralph said the difference is easy enough to ID irrespective of how much finish is left (even on later zink pieces): the first class is a one sided pin back cross while the second class is 2 sided (1939 onback wreath) bronze coloured cross with a ribbon loop at top

JC

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[Graeme]

Hi Tom

Nice cross in typical condition for this maker.

Moving your thread to the crosses forum.

regards
Graeme