Grand Cross on dealers update

[reichenberg]

Jamie Cross has just listed a Grand Cross of the Iron Cross on his update, but what is it exactly? Postwar Souval or something more recent?

[AndyC]

Looks like a cast copy to me




Andy

[August von Mackensen]

Interesting, do you have a link to this piece?


Thanks


Matt

[tystgaard]

Yes

I agree with Andy -

BR
Nicolai

[AndyC]

http://www.thirdreichmedals.com/pictures/p89.html

[reichenberg]

Looking at it again I think you may be right. I hadn't thought about it being a cast copy. Whatever it is I bet it sold fast.

[John_B]

To be fair to jamie. He did not try to decieve did he?
(P89) A Solid made Grand Cross of the Iron Cross as awarded to Hermann Goring. The cross has a silver hallmark under the eyering for 800 and has been reasonably finished off. Recently acquired from a German auction house that stated that the cross was an ex-museum display, I am more inclined to think that it is a shop window display item. Size etc corresponds to the original. An ideal space filler.This is complete with a piece of original ribbon that has been glued . The ribbon measures 55mm wide by 25 cm long GBP £300.00 (UK Pounds)

[chrisje110]

Whatever it is, I don't think it is a Souval.

[Alex W.]

Jamie Cross has just listed a Grand Cross of the Iron Cross on his update, but what is it exactly? Postwar Souval or something more recent?

It's not a 3-piece made Souval cross.

Regards,
Alex

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

the price (300 GBP) is a clear proof that it is implied that this is a reproduction...
Not counting the fact that only one Grand Cross was of course made at the time for Göring.

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Vince

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

pictures for the WAF archives.

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Vince

[reichenberg]

Hi,

the price (300 GBP) is a clear proof that it is implied that this is a reproduction...
Not counting the fact that only one Grand Cross was of course made at the time for Göring.

See You

Vince

It was never going to be an original, and I think even early postwar Souval copies now sell for rather more than £300?

[Alex W.]

It was never going to be an original, and I think even early postwar Souval copies now sell for rather more than £300?

Even later made Souval GK's will sell for about twice that amount. JC offered a Souval made Grand Cross last year with a modern piece of ribbon for 500£. It sold very fast...

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

two more links about the Grand Cross, as at least two or three may have been in the possession of US collectors (no direct confirmation that they are linked to Göring) :

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6120

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...&threadid=9889

- Paul Kabala > Virginia's collector > "salvaged" and sold to an unknown collector
- Wolfe & Hardin (Kabala model ?)
- WCStump

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Vince

[Chet Sowersby]

This is a very typical case of "dealer speak" by not describing the item as it is. Not a original TR produced cross. The buyer has to figure it out on his own. Our shared hobby is the only one that puts the blame on the buyer when they purchase a bad item. Dealers such as this live comfortably because due to this. Make not mistake, they know what they are doing and its criminal.

Chet