Schinkel EK11 one piece

[Allan P.]

Any comments on this one woiuld be appreciated.

Its a one piece (stamped) Schinkel EK11, comes in a custom made private purchase case (that later).

We know that some jewelers/ manufactuers produced there own one piece stamped 'awards' (eg CCC)to save the cost of the tooling.

Anyone have a one piece EK1 or EK11, particularly Schinkel to make comparisons?

Allan

[Allan P.]

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[Darrell]

IMO this guy has been repainted ...

Looks like white paint over the beading and the frame .. unlike usual frosting. Could be the pictures .. but this looks suspicious.

Take a look at the bottom corner, it has a ding, but still coated with that white paint.

[George Stimson]

I don't have one, but I've seen them. And I've always wondered -- if the premise is that Schinkel-form EKs were made because manufacturers were using up leftover WW1 stocks of frames, how come these one-piece versions exist?

[Sonderkommando]

Exactly George,

And if the "Jewellers/Manufacturers" were saving on the cost of tooling, then why make tooling for a one piece stamping? Why not simply buy them off another manufacturer for resale at their own premises.

I think it should be possible to match beading characteristics to a First War manufacturer and at least find out who's frames/tooling is being used for the Second World War Schinkels.

Regards,
Brett

[George Stimson]

But....

Maybe the 1939 EK was originally designed with the same shape as the 1870 and 1914 versions. So maybe early crosses were made in the Schinkel-form style and only later the award evolved into the "normal" shape we expect with a '39 EK. That might explain why the one-piece versions exist.

Maybe the "leftover frames" assumption is incorrect?

[Allan P.]

This is what I need, food for thought, keep it coming!!!

Allan

[StefanK.]

hello,


IMO the cross is in all parts original.
i have several in my collection and all have a very shiny black paint like allan's and a few have also a nice frosting. therefore i do not think that it was repainted...

[Sonderkommando]

Even though George has done a backflip on me, I will still stick to my theory that the Schinkels are made from leftover frames/tooling from the 1914 crosses. It makes sense to use existing frames/tooling if it was available, yet it makes no sense to totally re-tool for a smaller, one piece "iron cross" (that is not even made from iron) as that was not what Hitler specified. Even though there were original one piece 1914 EK1's, the dies were un-usable in the Third Reich as the design was replaced with the swaz. Why would a company who is in business to make money produce a product that does not meet the requirements on three accounts? Smaller dimensions, non iron and one piece?
I always keep an open mind on the Third Reich stuff, but I would believe a Schinkel would be at least 3 piece regardless of whether the centre is magnetic or not.

regards,
Brett

[Tiger 1]

I don't think a die was made. Rather a mold and this cross was then cast. Mold making and casting are the bread and butter of any manufacturing jeweler.

Just a thought.

Tony

[Sonderkommando]

I see your point Tony,

And I would assume that jewellers "post war" would make copies the same way.

Regards,
Brett

[George Stimson]

backflip

Im just trying to consider all of the possibilities.
Does anyone have a copy of an article in some official TR publication announcing the reinstitution of the EK in September of 1939? Maybe an early illustration would show the shape and style of early crosses.