EK 2 mm100 different swaz size?

[brian c]

I think if memory serves me correct, Shane is the authority on 100's. I have two 100's, One marked and one not. Although dates look similar, swastikas look different. My marked one appears to have a smaller swaz. Is this the norm or what? Merkison this includes your advice as well, as you seem to be keen on the EK 2's. Thanks for any and all replies.
Brian

[Blitz]

"100" has a small swaz compared to many other manufacturers. That is quite widely known. I'm not aware of variations within this manufacturer, so I won't comment on it. I'll leave that to Meriksson and Shane, since I'm not on the list..

[meriksson]

Hi Brian
I have 2 off those 100, one markt not mint and one mint unmarkt. The markt is used and the mint not. But both have the same size swaz if i count off some paint from the mint one.
Mikael

[Dave-B]

Can you post a pic of your Ek's Brian?

I have 2 W&L EK2's,the one on the left is maker marked the other is not....both have same size swaz,although the one on the left looks smaller because of the paint wear.

Cheers

Dave

[Airborne Nut]

Sorry it took me so long to reply here.

Of all the 100's I have (Gosh it has to be going on 15 or so now) their Swaz's are all the same size (But like you I am still learning with these too, ahh to go back and see how they were made ), I use digital callipers and they are Bang on! But Dave does have a point. I have a few with the paint worn off and their swaz's do VISUALLY look different with the paint worn ones looking smaller. On the crosses I own and have inspected this IS just a visual trick, when measured they turn out to be the same size.

Could you post some pics, I would be bery interrested to see the size difference you are talking about.

Could it also be possible that the unmarked one has been mistaken for a W&L? THere are a few key points to look for on a W&L besides the Nubbin at the top of the 12 O'Clock arm. There is the Rim beading crunching where the 12 O'Clock and 3 O'Clock arms meet, smaller swaz (Sorry had to put that in), etc... Could the unmarked cross be another maker (Just a thought)? Best thing to do is to post a pic. with good clean shots of the obvers and reverse.

Very interrested to see those pics!

-Shane

Can you post a pic of your Ek's Brian?

I have 2 W&L EK2's,the one on the left is maker marked the other is not....both have same size swaz,although the one on the left looks smaller because of the paint wear.

Cheers

Dave

[J Temple-West]

Just done a check on my examples and they turn out to be all the same size.

[TerryG]

Interesting thread, here's my 100

[Airborne Nut]

Could you guys post the dimensions from them... I think I can already guess the answers but the more data the merrier.

John, you know you were supposed to send me those Medal Bars months ago Great Bars!

I will post tonight as well.

-Shane

[Dave-B]

I haven't got the proper tools for a precise measurement but I will have a go with the old school ruler later on!My 100 marked EK1 swas is the same size as well

Dave

[brian c]

Blitz, sorry to offend you, wasn't my intention. I couldn't get on the internet all day yesterday. I have some pics for you guys. I'm sorry they are not better.
The cross on the left is unmarked. the cross on the left is mm 100. Unmarked cross swaz is 10 mm from top to bottom and is higher. Marked cross is slightly under 10 mm and is lower. Unmarked cross rattles, marked does not. Three's both front and back also look different. What do you guys think?

[brian c]

Back

[brian c]

Swaz hieght

[Airborne Nut]

Brian, just to clarify which cross is the marked one? You said that both the unmarked and the marked are the cross on the left.

Edit....
I do see a slight difference in the height of the cross, but again I cannot tell as the pics are a little far off to the sides of the camera. I have 3 swazs that I have noted from the pile with the more pronounced swaz (Height) I just rechecked mine and a few of them do have more pronounced swaz's. I had noticed this before but just chalked it up to materials used and press preassure. But again that is IMO. Is the core magnetic on yours?
Edit....

I have measured the swaz's on 6 of my 18 marked and unmarked 100's and all the numbers from left arm to right arm vary between 9.99mm and 10.05mm. This is due to Paint thickness IMO. From Top arm to bottom arm we are talking about 9.98mm to 10.3mm. As you can see minute differences that I believe are caused by paint thickness. Looking at your two crosses one does look to have a slightly larger swaz compared to the other, but IMO this is an optical illusion caused by paint thickness, and the (Maniscus) that the paint left behind at the base where the swaz joins the rest of the core, making it appear wider than it actually is. For example you can see that the cross on the Right seems to have a slightly more well defined swaz, while the one on the left is a little more subdued. Differences in paint thickness IMO, where some of the paint is thicker at the base.

No reason for concearn with either of these IMO. Although I would like closer shots of both swaz's I would be happy owning either.

Hope that helped. I have the same variations in my crosses as well. Again I chalk it up to Paint Thickness, wear & tear, thickness of metal used and press preassure.


I would like to note that the first reading of 9.98mm I believe to be 10mm as my hands were shaking, sorry it's -15 here now and I just got home.

[Airborne Nut]

I also wanted to add that a Rattly core for W&L's is not Uncommon. Quite a few of mine rattle. I knid of prefer them that way... ...I don't know why.

-Shane

[brian c]

Shane,

Sorry, the cross on the right is marked 100. Looking at them again, you are probably correct with the paint theory. Still, the unmarked cross on the left does have a higher swaz. Maybe that is press pressure. Or, I have a highly rare variant that is worth thousands. Thanks for your expert opinion.

Brian