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    #16
    Frank & Gordon,

    I hope you dont mind, but I've combined and post your images here.

    Chris, is this the area of your concern? You certainly do have a good eye as I wouldn't have picked it.

    Could somebody please post an original for comparision

    Bill
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      #17
      A good one





      George
      George

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        #18
        George,
        I noticed the pin hinge and hook assembly looks a lot like Meybauer on your cross. I have an L/13 marked Spanish Cross looks a lot like your Schinkle's. Is the catch round wire with a twist in it?
        Warren

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          #19
          Hi Bill,
          You are indeed the man! wish I could figure out the cut and paste and post thing..
          If you look carefully you will see the down swing has more "swing" to it than the up swing.
          All the best
          Chris

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            #20
            Well, looks like I was right to go with my hunch!

            Full marks to me



            Rich
            Interested in hand-stitched EM/NCO LW insignia and cuff-titles
            Decorations of Germany

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              #21
              Here is my Shinkel EK1

              obv..
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              Accidentally offending people on the internet since 1997

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                #22
                and the reverse. From what I have seen, this seems to be the common setup seen on these.

                It seems to me that if a silver item had an incused mark, it would stand out after cleaning, as that black stuff would fill the depression.
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                  #23
                  Good eye, Warren! Yes, the pin on my Schinkel-form EK 1 is made of twisted wire.
                  Here is a comparison between the reverse of the cross (left) and an unmarked "regular" 1939 EK 1 that I believe was made by Meybauer.



                  George
                  George

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                    #24
                    anotehr schinkel ( fake ? )

                    Hello,


                    I spotted this one on one off the many online auctionhouses => it is maker marked with " 1 " , what are the opinions on this one => I have a strange feeling on this one and therefore I do not like it , hope to hear from you guys


                    Cordial Greetings,
                    my collectionfield : German glider pilots


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                      #25
                      Dear Stijn,

                      It certainly looks like this croos is belonging to the fake family shown in this thread. It seems it even has the "different curves" mistake pointed out by Chris and illustrated in Bill´s comparison picture.

                      I vote for Latvia!

                      Cheers, Frank H.
                      Cheers, Frank

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                        #26
                        fake schinkel

                        Hello Frank,


                        Thats also what I tought => here is a picture of the front, so now these are also maker marked " 1 " , one more to look out for


                        Cordial Greetings,
                        my collectionfield : German glider pilots


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                          #27
                          Hinge plate

                          Looking at this one and the one Gordon posted, bottom arm not symmetrical, and that hinge plate... I did not spot the difference the other Schikel's were shown, I for one will not buy an EK with that hinge plate, original or not.

                          Regards
                          Andy

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                            #28
                            Hi Andy,

                            If you write off the hinge as shown in this thread, you will be writing off a lot of genuine items. Go back and study the hinge/pin/catch on Mark Schroeder's Schinkel EK1. There are HUGE differences between that assembly, which is 100% correct and genuine, and the repros in this thread. My personal opinion is that these hinges started appearing post WW1 (although possibly as early as very late 1918) because 1919 dated Stalhelm badges used this type of hinge (as well as the rest of the series). Certainly many genuine (replacement, second) 1914 EK1s, early 1939 EK1s (schinkels and round 3s), early DKs and EK1 Spanges used this type of hinge. The latter tells me that the hinge was in use until at least 1941 (DK introduction year). Many 20s and 30s veterans association pinback badges, non-military Third Reich awards (eg 1st Class pinback fire award) also used this type of hinge. Wernstein even used a similar (but not the same) type of hinge of their wartime zinc badges.

                            Regards
                            Mike K
                            Regards
                            Mike

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                              #29
                              I was fooled by the exact same cross as the one Stijn shows only without a maker mark, tooling frame shape and hinge/catch identical. seems that a variety of maker marks are being put on these.moremad

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                                #30
                                Just to add my 2 cents, another thing about these crosses is that the pin is not stamped, there are no shear marks on the side, in fact it appears to be hand made from a rather soft material.
                                It would interest me to know how the pins of the originals are made, as I do not have one myself.

                                Skip
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