ekI souval

[FW 200]

i was on e-strand and remarked that a certain ekI screwback was a souval,wartime in every way. well, i have always heard souvals have a "certain" reputation as far as being able to date,as they were made for years after the war. well,it seems i stepped on a sacred dealers toes,although unitentionally. no, it wasnt Det. Whats more, he sold his piece for the price he wanted! Yep, i was accused of interfering with the deal, which went through. anyway, what is the stories with the souvals? i dont make this crap up,i get my info from this website

[meriksson]

I supose you have search here for Souval and L/58 or 98. To do that you will find lots off info. Some like them some not. And i think we will soon see a SEM test off them, that will tell maybe if all is war time or not.
Mikael

[upbeek]

ek

heres mine ,chay

[Dietrich Maerz]

There is not the slightest doubt that Souval did produce EK1's and also screwbacks during the war. They even supplied frames to other wartime manufacturers. I would not have a problem at all with the piece in "question".


Dietrich

[bratwurstdimsum]

I didn't know you may have had a previous experience with this person FW in buying, so it would have been helpful to know this. People make representations on e-stand of their things they want to sell, and no one has a problem with disputing that, many a medal has been taken off the badges thread and repositioned into the bazaar by forum consensus. That's what makes this place so good. unlike ebay

So with that in mind and your experience in estand :

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...614#post782614

when anybody talks about a 'wartime' medal it is part trust on the dealer's reputation, and part waiting for the forum to chuck up some objective and constructive analysis as to whether or not the item is good or bad. The souval arguement is a long one and if you are already in the know, asking for proof is a fair request but then asking for dates on medals like you did is not.

When someone like, say Detlev sends a certificate of authenticity (COA) and I have bought a Souval EK1 with COA from him, he says it is correct for the period, both in construction and appearance and guarantees his statement.

I can then proceed to debate the COA with detlev if I choose but in the end, the COA is an open guarantee that ensures the buyer gets his money back if not happy, that sir should be the only thing you I would be concerned with if I have convinced myself that the item is worth buying at past the photos on the forum.

Next to jumping in a time machine and watching Old Rudolf bash out that screwback in his back room, then sending in the lancasters post surrender to bomb the crap out of his room * just * to be sure the %#$@ doesn't pump out any more ... I don't think it gets any better than that!

[Tiger 1]

Souval made awards during the war and after the war. There are enough vet returned Souval EKs to form a baseline from which to form an educated opinion. The same for other R.S. marked awards and badges. For collectors with a low risk tolerance and a lack of knowledge to be able to differenciate the good from the bad Souval made EKs should be avoided. Rest assured that not all Souvals are post war. Then again Souval is not the only makers mark that requires caution. The same can be said for Osang, Juncker, L/12, L/50 and some other marks that have a checkered past.

Being located in Austria helped them from being bombed out during the war. If I remember correctly there was no stipulation in Austrian Law regarding the use of the swastika after the war as there is in Germany.

Tony

[Chet Sowersby]

FW200,
IMO there was nothing wrong with the EK1 that you questioned on estand. Many of us (myself included) accept these as war time orginals. I do not belive that the person who sold it is a dealer. In fact, he is one of the most respected contributors on this site. You should do your homework before you make the type of post that you did on estand. BTW, do you have a real name?

Chet

[François SAEZ]

Quote: "I didn't know you may have had a previous experience with this person FW in buying, so it would have been helpful to know this."



For the books and to avoid any confusion, I NEVER sold(nor buy) ANYTHING to FW200 - the only thing I have done 2 days ago is to call him on the phone from France to the US to say I was sorry as one of the item I was selling where he showed interest went to another member who contact me before - Let me know who contact abroad somebody for him not to be frustrated as he didn't get the item, WHO?.

To say anything even slightly different will be a total lie.

And of course I am not a dealer

[Chet Sowersby]

Ok FW whatever, what's your story?

Chet

[George Stimson]

The cross was good and a legitimate deal was transacted. There is nothing more to say on the subject here.