I have woundered when did Souval start reproduction the RK and did he use wartime dies ? Is Souval still reproducting medals ??
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Thats a hard question to answer. They certaintly produced RK's very shortly after the war till alround the 1970-80s. They are out of business for a long time and there is a certain story that all there dies where sold of to a eastern-european company.
Then there is the Sedladzek Knights cross, which uses the Souval frame but a different core which might be a pre LDO cross.
Certaintly still a lot of questions are still not answered on the topid of Rudolf Souval. A member here Alex W might have more information ! -
whats the quickest way to identify Souval copies compared to others?Comment
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I'm not sure honestly. One would need a good reference guide to compare the frames and markings.Originally posted by praubal View PostComment
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Thank you for the answer. Currently I am considering getting a Souval RK as a set filler, because the cost of a real RK is far too high for me. I figured that if he used the wartime dies that would be a pretty good looking copy.Originally posted by chrisje110 View PostComment
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Souvals
Hi guys
There are lots of threads available on identifying Souval RKs , many originate from the 57 forum, there's a lot of guys like Alex who collect Souvals. I myself own an early one silver frame with Oakleaves and diamonds.
The quickest way to spot a Souval RK from other copies is-
A. The 9 on the 1939 sits lower, than the othe numerals.
B. Unlike war produced RKs , the swastika sits lower than the beading, originals like Junker etc, the swaz is level!
There are beading flaws too that identify them,
Regards
GaryComment
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Could you explain item B am little more. I'm not sure what you mean when talking about the beading. I have looked at some past offering a Souval's RKs are going up in price.Comment
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If you look at the cross from a side profile the depth of the swaz is the same height as the cross beaded edge profile, hard to put in words I guess 😟
Sorry if that doesn't help.
GaryComment
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Now this should help vacollector -
W&L is a manufacturer that played around with their cores strikes a lot . They have 3 types - more than usual .
A side shot tells all .
DouglasComment
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Thank you all for all the great information.
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Nicely done, Douglas! A great visual representation.Originally posted by Douglas 5 View Post
As an aside, isn't a "dipping ring" also an indicator of a Souval KC?Comment
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Chris and Gary have already mentioned some good points about Souval's post war RK production.
Indeed the Souval firm started to produce RK's in the later 1940's.
Here attached is such a RK....... This RK, together with a Grand Cross were brought back by a British vet already in the late 1940's.
These very early post war crosses feature a non -magnetic (Zink) core. All of these early pieces I´ve handled were unmarked. Besides the lack of frame flaws it has a finishing grade which is typical for early post war made items. Still a very nice frosting on the frame, etc. Also, note the non-dipping ring on the frame.
Regards,
Alex
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Was the wartime RK frame flaw the same as Souval wartime EK1 die flaw on the frame?Comment
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