Looking for photos of a mm 24 EK1

[AUSGANG]

I saw unmarked ones on a recent thread and posted this question but got no reply... So, any marked 24 EK1s out there?

[streptile]

None I've ever seen.

[Douglas 5]

That could mean :
... they stop making EK1s
... or never stamped a PKZ number on them .

Looking at the low number of EK1s that are out there .... I would guess they stopped making them before PKZ marking was mandatory .


Douglas

[Jordan Wills]

this is a Zimmerman marked 24, never seen a proper 24 marked.

[HeinzGrimberg]

I have ever seen before but it's a Fritz Zimmermann frame and 24 marked on the pin.

As known, it's a differently to Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller
of origin frame.

Two-marker was partnership?

or Douglas5 was right.

[Dietrich Maerz]

There is this theory brought forward by Thater in his "Das Eiserne Kreuz 1. Klasse von 1939" that the PKZ numbers 26 and 6 are from the same company. And this is why: because the PKZ numbers were introduced in mid 1941 (which is completely wrong) he assumes that the previous LDO number L/24 was also accepted without the "L" since there was no other marking system. Therefore the "24" marked crosses could have only been produced between March 1941 until mid 1941 and that is why there are only a few. He closes: "All these facts leave no other conclusion that the Iron Crosses 1. Class with marking "24" are a product from and for Fritz Zimmermann."

I do not agree to that theory because the facts are no facts but rather a unsubstantiated assumption to make his theory work.

I also do not believe that a delivery to the PKZ past late 1942 could have been done w/o a PKZ number. The most realistic explanation at this point in time is that AdHP ordered some from F. Zimmermann and they marked "24". Nothing unusual.

[HeinzGrimberg]

he assumes that the previous LDO number L/24 was also accepted without the "L" since there was no other marking system.

Hi Dietrich,

If you know facts, please help us.

http://ek1-dna.de/-24--fritz-zimmermann,-stuttgart.php

I saw to this link between Stefan and you not matched. So, one of them is wrong??

[Dietrich Maerz]

All I can say is that 24 is Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller and 6 is Fritz Zimmermann. That website is wrong. Most likely because he used the wrong information in the above mentioned book. And that is exactly the problem when bad and sloppy research is printed as fact and is used by others. It spreads like cancer and is hard to eradicate.
The cross he shows is a Zimmermann (marked 24), nothing else.

[Douglas 5]

"A Fritz Zimmermann EK1 with a 24 on the pin ..." as Dietrich indicates - is just helping out AdHP with an order .
To me that 24 mark seams to be a design F Z could have made as it appears to be of same layout style as their 6. . There are no other 24s marks to compare with ?
At the same time one would think that the AdHP would have been obligated to mark their produced part of this same order also ?
Theoretically then some AdHP own marked EK1s should exist .... but where are they ?

Douglas

[Dietrich Maerz]

Since 24 was an approved supplier to the PKZ (the EK2) it was not necessary to have an own product as long as it was marked "24" and the supplier could be identified.

[Douglas 5]

For me this points to AdHP stopping EK1 production just as the PKZ numbers were being mandated . Just about all AdHP EK1s made are from before 42/43 .
Not having a LDO number would also suggest that they had no intentions for private sales of any EKs ... just to continue on with 24 marked EK2s .

Douglas

[streptile]

Since 24 was an approved supplier to the PKZ (the EK2) it was not necessary to have an own product as long as it was marked "24"...

Right. We see this with Gebr. Godet products made and marked for Godet by others.

[AUSGANG]

Thank you gentlemen! I will post any unmarked and denazified EK1s that I do not recognize... I do like the look of these 24s...