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    #1

    Ek 2

    Hello

    What are your opinions on this cross?

    If it's real can you tell me who the maker was?

    Thanks


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    #2
    Don't like the low positioned 1813, but it sure looks real. Maybe a S&L?

    Regards, Juhani
    Last edited by pursihei; 01-18-2016, 02:02 PM.

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      #3
      Why don't you like the low positioned 1813? S&L is steinhauer&luck?

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        #4
        yes, S&L is Steinhauer&Luck. Both dates should be at the same height in a S&L.

        Here is a good resource: http://ek2-dna.de/-4--steinhauer---l...edenscheid.php

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          #5
          Sorry, for me it's not S&L.

          Please precise photos of dates (1939 - 1813) and internal angles of this cross.

          Regards
          Jarek

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            #6
            As Jerek mentioned better pictures needed --
            -- but in any case that core is not correct - wrong is the 1813 for sure - not a S&L design and reminds of a 333 reverse .
            Picture does not let one see the 2nd 1 up close to see if it has the chip or not .

            A closer search makes me think it is a revised Latvian fake - that imitates a S&L frame - now only with a different core .
            The frame seams to have the short bead in the top arm ... see comparison .

            This seller has been around a long time . The fake for comparison is from 2008 .
            He uses the same 'bubble' background for years now - changing colors from time to time . ( white, blue green ...) .

            Douglas
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              #7
              Gentlemen ... the other thing I would like to point out - is the low reverse date .

              He has put a tremendous extensive effort into his EK2-dna - hats off - and a lot of variations exist , so the very odd one may still be missing or may have been placed in another area .

              S&L does have a low sitting reverse date ... it is very uncommon and hard to find .
              It absolutely does not look like this one at all !! Shown below :

              Douglas
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                #8
                In my opinion it does resemble an S&L, or perhaps just a hard-to-ID "Standard Design" cross.

                Douglas, the Latvian Fake in your comparison is a good maker 11.
                Best regards,
                Streptile

                Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by streptile View Post
                  In my opinion it does resemble an S&L, or perhaps just a hard-to-ID "Standard Design" cross.

                  Douglas, the Latvian Fake in your comparison is a good maker 11.
                  Hi Trevor,

                  date of 1813 in this cross does not fit me in any way to any cross of S&L Design... has more to ... Grossman (= 11)

                  Jarek
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                    #10
                    Doesnt sound good that it maybe is a fake. I think the 1813 is more flat the 1939?

                    Here a couple more photos i hope they are good enough because i'm not that good with the camera. I will try to make better photos tomorrow with daylight.






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                      #11
                      Originally posted by netkuuk View Post
                      Doesnt sound good that it maybe is a fake. I think the 1813 is more flat the 1939?

                      IMO it's not a fake, it's good war-time cross.

                      Jarek

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                        #12
                        With these new pictures netkuuk - yes I would call yours the same as in post 7 - an original S&L.
                        The first 1 in 1813 is a bit taller and sits low against the frame - a S&L .

                        Douglas

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                          #13
                          Yes Trevor ... went back to my Latvian file and pulled up the source from 2006 with which the comparison was based on .
                          One of those old files and an error I should have picked up on .
                          The new pictures leave no doubt .
                          Owner of the comparison picture which should have been added: member vic022 .
                          Reference file has been deleted .

                          Douglas
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                            #14
                            Thanks i'm happy its a good S&L one.

                            I made some close up photos i dont know if it was still needed.






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                              #15
                              Good S&L and thanks for the extra pictures anyway .

                              Douglas

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