L 58 Souval EK1 screwbacks

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear all,

I found what I believe to be a pre 1945 Souval (L 58) screwback EK1. I would be interested to compare with others or have pointed out to me how later (after 1945) Souval EK1 screwbacks differ from it.

Cheers, Frank H.

[Frank Heukemes]

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[Calvin Hall]

Here's one to compare with...

Hello Frank,

I think you have an original L58. It compares well with mine.

Here is my L58 screwback. Mine is not vaulted. Is yours 'professionally' vaulted?

The swas and date site very low on my example. The arms of the swas are fairly wide on this maker's version. No bevel to the arms of the swas. Very sharp pin on the back.

Calvin

[Calvin Hall]

BACKSIDE

Frank,

Here is a photo of the reverse of my L58.

Calvin

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Calvin,

Thanks, and yes, mine is "factory" vaulted.

Cheers, Frank H.

[Frank Heukemes]

Btw, for all interested, I was kindly informed by a fellow member who went in Wien in 1977 through Souval´s inventory and has many of their postwar sales catalogues that they had no POST 1945 SCREWBACK EK1 for sale - ever.

Cheers, Frank H.

[George Stimson]

Frank

Here's another one to compare yours to:







George

[James Clark]

Here's mine....

[James Clark]

Reverse.....

[James Clark]

In its LDO case (outer lid is blank).....

[James Clark]

Base is black satin. Note the little indentation at the top of the recess, which accommodates the spike....

[Frank Heukemes]

Beautiful case! Thanks to you all. It is interesting for me to see (in both my example and George´s example) that the heavy patina these sometimes have on the back did not form in the same way on the screwplates, which allows the conclusion that the screwplates were not made with the same material as the EK frames.

Cheers, Frank H.

[Bruce Simcox]

Just to throw.....

.....a little fuel on the fire.

Could these be considered rounded inner beading/frame EK1? Perhaps getting us a little closer to the elusive (as far as proof for some) existence and manufacture of the inner beading/frame RK that seem to be so controversial. We have the examples of EK2 as well.

Not to throw this thread of track, of course, but what say ye fine gentlemen?

Have you seen herr Niemann's offering for this week?

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Bruce

[George Stimson]

round inner frames

Bruce,

The inner frame corners of these L58s are rounded, and the "round corner" EK 1 on Detlev Niemann's site is similar to the examples here in that the bottom of the "3" in "1939" appears to dip lower than the bottoms of the other numbers. The other distinct feature of the EKs in this thread -- the way the beading intersects on the outside corners of the cross arms -- is not discernable from Detlev's picture. But perhaps his cross is an unmarked Souval pinback.

George