Cased EK1 800 for review

[BlockHeads]

Greetings.
I would appreciate feedback on this cased EK1. The only mark I can find is a "800" on the bottom of the pin. It looks like it has been in the case a long time, but I know there are experts in "aging" items to look older. I am grateful for the experts on this board. I have already been able to determine most of what I have as being original or not. Thanks in advance for your consideration of this piece. MH

[BlockHeads]

Another picture

Here is a pic of the back of pin showing the 800. Thanks.

[streptile]

Hi,

This one is a Floch fake. The case is also not good.

[reichenberg]

I'm not an expert as such but yes, it's a Floch fake.

[Jordan Wills]

I agree, it's a Floch fake.
Jordan

[Tom B]

Yes, a fake for sure !

[Tony T-S]

Yep. F for Floch in the beading.

[Tom B]

Yep

[BlockHeads]

Fake EK1

While I appreciate several experts providing their opinion on the piece, could anybody add their reasons? I could take this back to the person I got it from and state "It's a fake", and ask for a refund. I'd be in a stronger position if I knew why. Researching Floch (person? company? place?) on another thread I got the impression that the date might be set too low? Is it the marking? What is it about the case? I don't doubt anybody here. My expertise is in Civil War Confederate items - so I'm just trying to learn. Eagerly. Thanks again for the help.

[Gary B]

This is a Floch fake. The pieces are attributed to Johannes Floch, a dealer (I am not sure if he is also the maker of these pieces). They are easily identified by the low date and the shape of the pin. The notch at the top of the pin (left side near the hinge) is something I always see in the Floch fakes. Additionally, 800 silver EKs are quite rare. The ones that are good are marked on the reverse of the cross, not on the inner pin.

Hope this helps.

Gary B

[all1knew]

Hi,

This one is a Floch fake. The case is also not good.

is there a link to this style of reproduction case that you know of? Is Floch responsible for these as well?

William Kramer

[Chet Sowersby]

If you bought this, consider yourself "Floched". A one look fake.

Chet

[streptile]

This has most of what you need to know:

http://184.172.36.50/forums/showthread.php?t=348546

Johannes Floch was not the maker of these, only the importer of them into the USA in the 1960s and 1970s. He sold these are reproductions (he claims) and has been unlucky enough to lend his name to them.

They are pretty common and decent, but once you familiarize yourself with their characteristics they are impossible to mistake for authentic pieces. The low date and distinctive pin style are only two tells -- not decisive on their own -- but the overall materials, design and quality is also just different from originals.

[mp409mm]

Hi,

This one is a Floch fake. The case is also not good.

The Cross now a days I can spot it as a fake thanks to you members on this forum, but the case I am still quite can't get it why it is not good.
Thanks.
Alf.

[BlockHeads]

Thanks for the feedback

I appreciate all the details around the Floch EK1. I guess there a bunch of these out there. Thanks for the info.