1939 EK2 mm K.A.G

[Dave-B]

Hello all,
Have a look at this strange one! It has a zinc core and is very lightweight,only 12.5g!! It has a "tinnie" feel to it,if you know what I mean.
The other unusual aspect about it,is that the ribbon ring is marked K.A.G . We know that K.A.G were a well known maker of Imperial crosses but what about TR EK's??
Or maybe the ribbon ring has been replaced? Even so the cross is quite unusual anyway.

Any thoughts on this?

Cheers

Dave

[Dave-B]

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[Peter Wiking]

Hello.
Here is what i think. There is alot of toolmarks along the frame. It looks like they have open the frame and resolder it ? Could they have changed the original WW1 core to a WW2 core ?

Cheers.
Peter

[Dez H]

Peter; Take a WW1 EK2 and a WW2 EK2 and sit them on top of each other, do the frames match up, defiantely not.

Unless the WW2 core was taken from an exact match Schenkel frame it is not going to work.

Regards
Dez

Hello.
Here is what i think. There is alot of toolmarks along the frame. It looks like they have open the frame and resolder it ? Could they have changed the original WW1 core to a WW2 core ?

Cheers.
Peter

[Dave-B]

Hello.
Here is what i think. There is alot of toolmarks along the frame. It looks like they have open the frame and resolder it ? Could they have changed the original WW1 core to a WW2 core ?

Cheers.
Peter

Hello Peter,
I don't think so mate.The frame has been very finely soldered and looks the same as a standard '39 EK2 solder line.

I don't think the marks are tool marks,I'm sure they are just dings and dents.

Dave

[Peter Wiking]

Ok then.

Cheers.
Peter

[Dave-B]

Just for interests sake the cross measures 44mmx44mm and the width at the end of each arm is 25mm.........and as I said before the weight is very light at 12.5g!


Dave

[George Stimson]

Is the ring soldered closed? I can't really tell by the close-up pic.

[Dave-B]

Is the ring soldered closed? I can't really tell by the close-up pic.

Hi George,
Yes the ring is soldered closed.

Dave

[Jim Baker]

Dave,

Are you saying then, the cross is like a standard 39 EKII?

It looks very "Schinkle" in the photo.

[franki]

Hi folks,

my opinion to that EK is the follow:
I am sure that the core has been changed.
I am sure that the cor is hollow if I consider the low weight.
Consequently I see no problem to readjust the core for the present frame.
Further I have never seen a 39er EK2 with a KAG mm yet. That mm is definetely a WW1 mm.

Please have a look at the distance from the swastika to the inner frame corners right hand side. They overlap it. Never such a cross had left the manofactory.

Best Frank

[Dave-B]

Dave,

Are you saying then, the cross is like a standard 39 EKII?

It looks very "Schinkle" in the photo.

Yes Jim,it is a "standard" size!......44x44,although I know what you mean it does look like a WW1 frame.

Dave

[Dave-B]

Hi folks,

my opinion to that EK is the follow:
I am sure that the core has been changed.
I am sure that the cor is hollow if I consider the low weight.
Consequently I see no problem to readjust the core for the present frame.
Further I have never seen a 39er EK2 with a KAG mm yet. That mm is definetely a WW1 mm.

Please have a look at the distance from the swastika to the inner frame corners right hand side. They overlap it. Never such a cross had left the manofactory.

Best Frank

Are you saying then Frank that you think the cross has been changed recently?............hell of a lot of effort for an EK2.

Dave

[franki]

Hello Dave,

I want to apologise me 'cause I have not sighted the measures.
I have just checked up all my crosses regarding mesure and weight and come to reason that is no SCHINKEL (the size does not fit) and must be hollow. All my hollow crosses weigh about 12 gr (in this case unfortunately all WW1 items).
Ref. ribbon ring: has been changed recently 'cause as I have mentioned KAG is definetely a manufacturer of WW1.

Franki