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    KVK 1 - maker?

    If I may call upon others for some quick opinions on the maker of these 2?
    To me at first seem like they are Deumer made - unmarked with the rare stencilled case. I assume this by the outer borders of the cross - seems to correlate with the late pattern zinc Deumers marked 3. The pin also has the length and somewhat shape as well.
    Any thoughts regarding the maker and rarity of the cases would be greatly appreciated

    Regards,
    Callum
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