EK1 Review and opinion /Walter&Henlein/

[5tefan]

Hi Sanya,

This is a controversial type, obviously. But I believe it is an authentic period EK1 made by Walter & Henlein.

Hi Trevor,

where is your evidence from

[boch_62]

I think the location Gablonz (Jablonec nad Nisou, CZ) is right.
But never saw an official EK1 maker from CZ! Of course they do some EK2, but imo had no license to build EK1.
That is the reason that, I'm sceptic about this EK1 variant! As always stated, maybe a postwar build like Souval did for war souvenirs.

http://ek2-dna.de/walter---henlein,-gablonz-.php

I do not always agree with Stefan , but in this case I have a similar view.
I doubt whether the W&H produced crosses EK1 during the war.
In contrast, looking at the quality and finish of parts of crosses EK2 attributed to the W&H, I believe that it is possible that from the tools and dies of W&L sameone produced crosses EK2 (and perhaps new EK1) still after the war ... IMO

Regards
Jarek

[sanya13]

Hí guys
I think that everyone agrees that these pieces can not be
specifically, to really prove who did it and when 100%
These pieces also have different views on collectors
in turn, we can be sure that these pieces not common and hard to find they and very little numbers of and made EK2 variant too

[boch_62]

Hí guys
I think that everyone agrees that these pieces can not be
specifically, to really prove who did it and when 100%
These pieces also have different views on collectors
in turn, we can be sure that these pieces not common and hard to find they and very little numbers of and made EK2 variant too

Sorry, I do not agree - on the Czech forum "www.aukro.cz" we can very easily buy a cross EK1 with a distinctive (and discussed by our) core and frame and a hole on the back (attributed to W&H) - it also is a strange thing that these crosses is so much ...
so we can easily buy a cross that does not should exist ...

Jarek

[sanya13]

Hí Jarek
We do not have to agree with everything
therefore this page, that we tell our opinion ,who do you think a particular items
and I hope once all reveals this the Cross that good or neither
Thanks for comment

[streptile]

Hi Trevor, where is your evidence from

Two places: a hoard of packeted 109 EK2s bought from an old shop that match these perfectly, and this thread.

Here is one of the EK2s:



A friend of mine bought a stock of brand new, mint condition items from the son of a former owner of a medals and orders shop near Munich. Among that stock were some 50 sets of "61" packeted "61" KVKs, some cased and marked SWBs, some other small awards, and something like 50 of these exact same EK2s, in tissue and W&H Packets.

I admit that proof is lacking, but evidence is not. So for me it's a matter of opinion.

[boch_62]

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A friend of mine bought a stock of brand new, mint condition items from the son of a former owner of a medals and orders shop near Munich. Among that stock were some 50 sets of "61" packeted "61" KVKs, some cased and marked SWBs, some other small awards, and something like 50 of these exact same EK2s, in tissue and W&H Packets.

I admit that proof is lacking, but evidence is not. So for me it's a matter of opinion.

but we do not give in doubt that the cross EK2 W&H (109) were produced during the war
It is doubtful that during the war were produced crosses EK1 assigned to the W&H (with a characteristic hole on the reverse)

Jarek

[streptile]

It is doubtful that during the war were produced crosses EK1 assigned to the W&H (with a characteristic hole on the reverse)

I agree it's not proven, but why is it doubtful ? I am willing to change my opinion.

[sanya13]

I agree with Trevor , these pieces why not made it the wartime period ?
What makes these pieces so bad?
The hole on the back side ? Maybe these pieces not made by W&H ,but
why such sure it is made of non-war period ?

[5tefan]

Yes, a W&H EK2 is imo OK.
But EK1 due to no good argument

Two places: a hoard of packeted 109 EK2s bought from an old shop that match these perfectly, and this thread.

Here is one of the EK2s:



A friend of mine bought a stock of brand new, mint condition items from the son of a former owner of a medals and orders shop near Munich. Among that stock were some 50 sets of "61" packeted "61" KVKs, some cased and marked SWBs, some other small awards, and something like 50 of these exact same EK2s, in tissue and W&H Packets.

I admit that proof is lacking, but evidence is not. So for me it's a matter of opinion.

[boch_62]

I agree it's not proven, but why is it doubtful ? I am willing to change my opinion.

Is W&H had a license for the production of crosses EK1?
Why in the Czech forum we can now buy these crosses with such ease?
Suddenly (when?) their production has increased?

Sorry, it's just my doubts, but not small ...

Jarek

[streptile]

Why in the Czech forum we can now buy these crosses with such ease?

I wasn't aware of this. To my eyes they remain uncommon, but as I said this is an opinion based on my present knowledge and subject to change.

[boch_62]

I wasn't aware of this. To my eyes they remain uncommon, but as I said this is an opinion based on my present knowledge and subject to change.