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    #46
    Originally posted by ben bijker View Post
    Hi Trevor,

    think it may be correct.
    The hinge is different then on the other straight 9, so that pin won't fit.
    The needle Sanya added to the cross is seen on a number of other early crosses
    The catch on Sanya's cross is different as well.

    So yes, IMO it's very likely that this pin (or a similar style) was used on this cross.
    No proof either way, but time will tell.
    I'm sorry to intrude Ben.
    I really respect You as a collector and expert of crosses EK.
    But in this case I do not understand - if we start themselves consist of crosses and create them anew (because to roughly fit) ?
    If we refer to known standards ?
    What time will show? that in 2-3 years someone will say that the cross was made by Sany'a is correct and it will be o.k. ???

    Jarek

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      #47
      I have to agree with Jarek.

      In my opinion, to take one variant of a rare cross and duplicate it is very bad form.

      If this cross was restored with a perfectly textbook pin, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

      But we don't even know for sure what the pin is supposed to look like here. We have one single example -- 5tefan's -- that is in my mind questionable.

      Now we have two.

      This kind of sloppiness will lead to problems and misunderstandings.
      Best regards,
      Streptile

      Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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        #48
        I this do not understand you now (Jarek and Trevor)
        me already have almost all of the EK1 cross variant
        I these crosses I collect and not for dealers them and these pieces neither will for sale.
        Example: The Assmann type is have two same piece and I can afford to EK1 sacrifice one in order to illustrate you an idea

        Jarek, I not make new versions ,only I wanted to share my observation that such big the similar the two piece between,nothing else

        But I only now see that here on the side neither other the situation
        Here neither be put up pictures and can't get ideas or comments here
        and the wanted to share with others.

        because ,here too some people only the bad side see the things

        Maybe I'm not big collector ,but interested the crosses ,but I also have my eye and be see things and similarities.

        Then why we here, if not therefore ???

        but ,here only need : nice piece ,congrat yet such ???????

        """"""" I just wanted show that there is a similarity between the cross and the hinge pin and that these original, not repaired ( re-soldered) pieces but of course the pin is missing ( the I added a Assmann pin piece) """"""

        I'm Sorry

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          #49
          Originally posted by sanya13 View Post
          I this do not understand you now (Jarek and Trevor)
          me already have almost all of the EK1 cross variant
          I these crosses I collect and not for dealers them and these pieces neither will for sale.
          Example: The Assmann type is have two same piece and I can afford to EK1 sacrifice one in order to illustrate you an idea

          Jarek, I not make new versions ,only I wanted to share my observation that such big the similar the two piece between,nothing else

          But I only now see that here on the side neither other the situation
          Here neither be put up pictures and can't get ideas or comments here
          and the wanted to share with others.

          because ,here too some people only the bad side see the things

          Maybe I'm not big collector ,but interested the crosses ,but I also have my eye and be see things and similarities.

          Then why we here, if not therefore ???

          but ,here only need : nice piece ,congrat yet such ???????

          """"""" I just wanted show that there is a similarity between the cross and the hinge pin and that these original, not repaired ( re-soldered) pieces but of course the pin is missing ( the I added a Assmann pin piece) """"""

          I'm Sorry

          Sanya, there's no need to insult.
          Do you remember what you wrote at the beginning of this discussion:

          "Hi guys
          I finally found and for me missing, long-sought type
          So when you think about it?
          in the condition not the best, but this too Therefore a "straight nine" type
          here are some pictures about it, and Hope that like it! "

          ... Not a word you wrote that you changed anything in this cross, it came much later, during the discussion ...
          Do you think it's okay?
          And yet you are trying to find confirmation that your modification of the cross is the "correct" ...

          Do you think that this is okay?

          Jarek

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            #50
            Jarek
            thanks for answer,
            but I not do it nothing bad,I think or not.
            I only tried an approach is possible idea

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              #51
              Sanya,
              But I think that we have a different sense of certain values ... and it's all.
              Thanks

              Jarek

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                #52
                Trevor : the other pin won't fit to this cross.

                There are other makers with a different style pin then usually.
                It never stopped me from buying them.

                Stefan shows a cross with this pin.
                The hinge is completely different then the hinge on the "textbook" straight 9.
                The "textbook" pin will not fit this hinge.

                This pin was used by more makers on early crosses, Assmann, Schauerte & Hohfeld and most likely some others as well.
                Apart from that is has a round catch instead of the known flat catch.

                I guess we all have seen the Godet ek1 with the "21" marked pin.
                One example known, and everybody is applauding it.
                That became textbook over night


                Jarek: no problem, everyone has his /her own opinion.
                I don't strictly collect textbook, and I am glad I never did.
                Would have missed out on a lot of nice crosses.

                It is very well possible that we will never see another pin on this type of ek.
                They are very rare, no one knows how many of these have survived.
                But especially on early crosses you find a wide variety of pins and hinges.

                But: everyone collects in his/her own way.

                I am sorry I disrupted the collector-community by proposing to add a pin, based on Stefan's cross, and I will refrain from further comments on this forum.

                Good luck !

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                  #53
                  Hí Jarek
                  Thanks for answer ,and I not wanted offend thee and this not understand why wrote this to me.
                  But you're talking about the price and adding value
                  and I was talked the similarity the hinge and pin ,because this the cross never will be for sale ( I was happy that I found a such piece
                  and I added my collection)

                  This the question It would said that it is possible similarities between the two manufacturers between and not the about price.

                  Unfortunately always very few of us who are more interested in this and similar topic and they only watch at the items but did not say a comment neither.

                  I agree with Ben ,because possible that was many different pin and hinge solution on the early crosses but these not nowhere in
                  just because everyone says yes, or there was no or only a of strange piece

                  This is the a good it would have been possible to topic ,because this piece now not the in the usual solution it is ,because other hinge and another wire hook solution.

                  but unfortunately the pin is missed
                  and this already enough to keep it to the other topic
                  Originally posted by boch_62 View Post
                  Sanya,
                  But I think that we have a different sense of certain values ... and it's all.
                  Thanks

                  Jarek

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by sanya13 View Post
                    Hí Jarek
                    Thanks for answer ,and I not wanted offend thee and this not understand why wrote this to me.
                    But you're talking about the price and adding value
                    and I was talked the similarity the hinge and pin ,because this the cross never will be for sale ( I was happy that I found a such piece
                    and I added my collection)

                    This the question It would said that it is possible similarities between the two manufacturers between and not the about price.

                    Unfortunately always very few of us who are more interested in this and similar topic and they only watch at the items but did not say a comment neither.

                    I agree with Ben ,because possible that was many different pin and hinge solution on the early crosses but these not nowhere in
                    just because everyone says yes, or there was no or only a of strange piece

                    This is the a good it would have been possible to topic ,because this piece now not the in the usual solution it is ,because other hinge and another wire hook solution.

                    but unfortunately the pin is missed
                    and this already enough to keep it to the other topic

                    Sanya sorry, but you still do not understand.
                    I do not write about the value and price of the cross !!!
                    I write about certain values, which I priced myself drawn people! It was a little something else ...
                    Please let's finish this discussion, because it for anything longer runs.

                    Regards
                    Jarek

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                      #55
                      OK all right
                      but, to me all the same, and let's finish this discussion,because this no meaning.
                      But this yet always not understand " which I priced myself drawn people "

                      Best Regards and respect
                      Originally posted by boch_62 View Post
                      Sanya sorry, but you still do not understand.
                      I do not write about the value and price of the cross !!!
                      I write about certain values, which I priced myself drawn people! It was a little something else ...
                      Please let's finish this discussion, because it for anything longer runs.

                      Regards
                      Jarek

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                        #56
                        Not only the hinge is different.
                        The core is different as well...
                        (Date)

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by ben bijker View Post
                          Not only the hinge is different.
                          The core is different as well...
                          (Date)
                          The date looks like it has been struck twice, look at the number 9's for example.

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                            #58
                            The numbers are definitely different, in particular the "3" ...

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