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**Graeme** · 05-02-2015, 05:52 AM

Hi Jarek

I understand your frustration. It has happened to me and probably many of us before.

I am not sure if the Weitze site has changed recently but it was always the case that confirmation in my purchases was usually next day (which I do not like), or I had to chase with emails or phone calls to know if my order was accepted. In most cases (and I am guessing here) with the Weitze site I suspect all the order emails are checked later and hopefully done on a first arrival basis. I think when every order is placed, a standard confirmation email is sent to all that try to buy it, and later the first order is processed.

If this is not the case with you, and you feel that you had a definite "human" reply to say you got the order and asking for further details then it should have been honoured.

I have had an incident in the past where I ordered a badge, and then phoned to check that I had it (because it was a rare maker). I was told that I did have the badge, but the next day I got an email saying that there was another email that was ahead of me, so like you I was very disappointed.

I have bought some great pieces from Weitze but his ordering process is not the best. I did once give him feedback to have a system that flags up badges are on hold or sold once the first order comes in, but he was against that.

I prefer to order from sites that get back shortly after an update, like Detlev used to and Carsten still does. There are other great sites out there that manage to flag badges on hold and stop a second buyer from ordering.

In defence of some of the "shops" that do not have automatic updating of on hold or sold, there is the case that a lot of collectors visit sites just before an update and purchase a lot of the "premium" items, and this is not updated in time for the online update, but even this should be fixed by the dealers if they want to provide the "best service".

The problem with the type of transaction that you had is that it makes you feel that a lack of trust has occurred. There are some unethical collectors in our hobby that do not help and they phone dealers and offer them higher prices than advertised in order to secure a rare piece for their collections. I once bought a sought after IAB from a dealer for a fair price, and fortunately he was a good dealer and kept to the deal, even though he said he had many emails with offers over twice what he advertised.

Regards the Iron Cross, I saw it too last night. I am not up on which maker it could be, hopefully the Iron Cross boys can match it to a maker. I was not keen on the maker mark on the Weitze one, it looked to drawn out with big gaps at either end, and not like other L/53 marks, although there are not many ring maker mark L/53s to compare.

cheer up

regards
Graeme

**streptile** · 05-02-2015, 06:55 AM

That's a 100% good cross, very nice!

But yes, this is totally normal process for Weitze. It's how their system works and I have missed a lot of items this way too.

That update went up Thursday, so you were probably 24 hrs too late

**Tony T-S** · 05-02-2015, 06:59 AM

Many complaints about this in the 57er section too. There has been a nice selection of items for sale, but some disappointment here for the very reason you've given. A crazy way to do things.

**boch_62** · 05-02-2015, 08:28 AM

Hi,
Thank You all for your comments. I see that my case was not isolated. Too bad.
I do not feel good about it and I certainly do not buy already at this dealer.

As for the cross I saw him for the first time, and to that of the signature L / 53 ... I thought that I shall assess it fully hold in my hands. Prematurely

Best Regards
Jarek

**streptile** · 05-02-2015, 09:19 AM

Well, my guess is that it was bought by someone for resale, so you may still get it.

**boch_62** · 05-02-2015, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by streptile View Post

Well, my guess is that it was bought by someone for resale, so you may still get it.

Trevor,
Do you know something I do not?

I wonder about the legal redress ...
I bought a medal, I got confirmation of the purchase, I wanted to pay, and suddenly I learns that distinction bought someone else ... IMO it's against the law.

Jarek

**streptile** · 05-02-2015, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by boch_62 View Post

Trevor,
Do you know something I do not?

No, I don't. But that L/53 EK2 with a €150 price is something anyone would have bought. And if the buyer doesn't collect EK2s, it will be for sale again (for a profit). Mark my words...

Originally posted by boch_62 View Post

I wonder about the legal redress ...I bought a medal, I got confirmation of the purchase, I wanted to pay, and suddenly I learns that distinction bought someone else ... IMO it's against the law.

Die Auftragsannahme wird durch Auslieferung der bestellten Ware erfolgen sofern diese nicht bereits verkauft worden ist.

The email says that the confirmation is subject to the item not having been bought by someone else before you. It's a frustration, I agree. But it's all in the game (as they say in Baltimore).

**boch_62** · 05-02-2015, 12:38 PM

Yes, "all in the game"

but the investigation of my rights, too ...

Jarek

**beuwulf** · 05-02-2015, 01:04 PM

Bought from Weitze earlier,and you have to be first (fast) to get a Item..

**leba75** · 05-02-2015, 01:42 PM

Jarek...

"Gemäß unserer Allgemeinen Geschäftsbedingungen wurde Ihr Auftrag entgegengenommen. Wir werden Ihren Auftrag umgehend bearbeiten.
Wir weisen ausdrücklich darauf hin, dass diese E-Mail lediglich eine Bestätigung Ihrer Bestellung ist. Die Auftragsannahme wird durch Auslieferung der bestellten Ware erfolgen sofern diese nicht bereits verkauft worden ist."

Someone was faster and that's it ...

**boch_62** · 05-02-2015, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by leba75 View Post

Jarek...

"Gemäß unserer Allgemeinen Geschäftsbedingungen wurde Ihr Auftrag entgegengenommen. Wir werden Ihren Auftrag umgehend bearbeiten.
Wir weisen ausdrücklich darauf hin, dass diese E-Mail lediglich eine Bestätigung Ihrer Bestellung ist. Die Auftragsannahme wird durch Auslieferung der bestellten Ware erfolgen sofern diese nicht bereits verkauft worden ist."

Someone was faster and that's it ...

Hi Grzegorz,
How do you know? Or maybe I was the fastest, and someone later he started to combine...
I got a receipt? I - and the subject is mine. That's all. Such are the laws of the market

Jarek

**Massen** · 05-02-2015, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by boch_62 View Post

Hi Grzegorz,
How do you know? Or maybe I was the fastest, and someone later he started to combine...
I got a receipt? I - and the subject is mine. That's all. Such are the laws of the market

Jarek

Hello Jarek,

please trust me, you was not the fastest! I got the same anfortunetly email today and I tried to bought the Cross at thursday 10.00pm! Such pieces normaly sold minutes after a new update!
BR René

**5tefan** · 05-02-2015, 04:00 PM

Update from 30.04.2015 means, it was due to Bank Holiday in Germany (01.05 Tag der Arbeit) one day before valid! So you was maybe 24 houres too late, thats it! It seems to be still available, but this is like in all other Forum. If you don't get the confirmation you have to pray. Weitze is always fair. So congratulation to the winner. That's make EK hunting more intresting. BTW, I did not know that an EK2 L/53 exsist!!! Usual to get an EK1 is very hard and to see or get an EK2 made by Hymmen, seems to me unpossible, but as Trevor said it's seems to be a very authentic Hymmen and still missing in my EK2 Database! www.ek2-dna.de

http://www.ek1-dna.de/-l-53--hymmen-...-screwback.php
http://www.ek1-dna.de/-l-53--hymmen-...---pinback.php

**boch_62** · 05-02-2015, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Massen View Post

Hello Jarek,

please trust me, you was not the fastest! I got the same anfortunetly email today and I tried to bought the Cross at thursday 10.00pm! Such pieces normaly sold minutes after a new update!
BR René

Maybe you're right, but the real dealer should have software, which after the first purchase, blocks the next bid. Yes or no?

Otherwise, it's the possibility of fraud - Yes or no?

And really there is nothing further to discuss, sorry

Jarek

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