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    #16
    Yup, this type of Souval is still a controversial piece.

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      #17
      I fully agree with Douglas.
      S&L design, W&L and for me too post-war Souval.

      Regards
      Jarek

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        #18
        Originally posted by boch_62 View Post
        I fully agree with Douglas.
        S&L design, W&L and for me too post-war Souval.

        Regards
        Jarek
        Yes, and I agree with you both ! Tom

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          #19
          My opinion:
          1. Not S&L but another maker
          2. W&L 100
          3. Wartime Souval
          Best regards,
          Streptile

          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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            #20
            Souvals I leave to others - when it could have been made .
            The first one is a S&L made cross . I have the same one marked 4 . The challenge and uncertainty lies in the fact that S&L supplied components and tooling to many other makers .
            Specially early crosses that are unmarked with S&L components . This many years later there is no real determination of which company actually summited them .

            Douglas
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              #21
              Originally posted by streptile View Post
              My opinion:
              1. Not S&L but another maker
              2. W&L 100
              3. Wartime Souval
              Hi Trevor,
              1/ if this is not the S&L design, what is the manufacturer ?
              2/ W&L
              3/ war-time Souval with such date ? (Schenkl's core?)

              Regards
              Jarek
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                #22
                Originally posted by boch_62 View Post
                1/ if this is not the S&L design, what is the manufacturer ?
                2/ W&L
                3/ war-time Souval with such date ? (Schenkl's core?)
                Hi Jarek,

                1/ I'm not sure but it's not S&L. Might be the ubiquitous S&L frame die, but the dates, the finish, the outer shape, the workmanship -- none of this says S&L to me.
                2/ W&L
                3/ Yes!
                Best regards,
                Streptile

                Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                  #23
                  next Schenkl's core
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                    #24
                    Trevor, sorry I don't agree.

                    1/ for me it's typical core (and frame) S&L design - photo signed crosses of S&L for comparison - but of course I respect your opinion
                    2/
                    3/ for me it is not a Schenkl's core and not Orth's core and not war-time Souval's core ... for comparison photos Schenkl's core crosses signed 27 ...


                    Jarek
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by boch_62 View Post
                      Trevor, sorry I don't agree - but of course I respect your opinion
                      Thanks Jarek, then we shall agree to disagree
                      Best regards,
                      Streptile

                      Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by streptile View Post
                        Thanks Jarek, then we shall agree to disagree

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                          #27
                          The same here Trevor - -... have to disagree on the first cross . ... still a S&L ... and not a 'general' type but used by S&L for themselves early on past 41 . S&L was not always perfect and careful .
                          The comparison ( wish I had a same size one as the small cross does not show the frame tilt that well ) .... to show the - beauty and the beast - in appearance . .. with the same out side 'scued ' frame trimming .
                          The narrow spot is easy to pick out .

                          Douglas
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