Unmarked Unknown Maker EK2s (UUMs)

[streptile]

A while ago I got interested in collecting variants of the 1939 EK2 that were sort of "lost" to the collector's world: unmarked, unknown makers.

I did a thread back in 2011 where I named and showed a couple of them (here) but I thought I'd do an updated new thread that anyone can add information to.

So here's my list of interesting unmarked unknown maker 1939 EK2s.

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1. The Odd Date

No maker known, not known marked. No major variations (all frames and cores are the same).


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The Odd Date's odd dates.


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2. The Straight-Arm

Not known marked, no maker known. Named for the straightness of the arms. Like the Odd Date, this cross is in no way related to the so-called B-Type or Schinkel B, despite the claims of some unscrupulous dealers.


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3. The Lug

No maker known although Paul Küst or ZEHN, Berlin have been suggested. Sometimes marked "Z" on the ribbon ring. Probably the same maker as the Long Flaw (see below).

More than one core is known with the cross. Someone can add the variants below, or start a different thread on them.


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4. The Long Flaw

No maker known. Sometimes marked with the same "Z" on the ribbon ring as The Lug, so Paul Küst or ZEHN could be candidates. Juncker has been suggested because of the design and their use of one Juncker core, but I tend to doubt that. In my opinion it's likely the same maker as The Lug.

Named "The Long Flaw" for the long flaw down the 7 o'clock beading strand.

As a side note, some of these are among the best-made EK2s I've seen.


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5. The 8? or The Eight?

Almost certainly not made by maker 8, whose EK1s look nothing like this. One example has surfaced marked with an "8" on the ribbon ring (probably postwar/fake mark), hence the name. No maker known.


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[boch_62]

Hi Trevor,
Very nice development. I see that you make the most "controversial" (a better word "difficult") themes - enough to begin to discuss known variants of crosses Long Flaw Frame and LUG Variant - and we have to work a month

Regards
Jarek

[mp409mm]

Thank you Trevor for this information, very interesting.
Alf

[Douglas 5]

Nice selection Trevor .
Here is another lug type with quit a large lug .
At the right angle one can see this mark on the core .
Nothing to do with the maker of the cross - anomaly mark on the core material - MK might be for Metalwerk Krupp ?

Tough who the maker is on this one : ... the shape of the lug we see on Junckers - how ever the corners are what we find on S&Ls ???

Douglas

[boch_62]

Hi Douglas,
I do not know if this is a variation of the cross LUG Variant - frame of this cross is not like a typical LUG Variant

Jarek

[Douglas 5]

Jarek : It would almost seam to be a variation made as a special order . To me it is basicly a S&L - see the 4 o'clock out side corner .
Only S&L and 16 - Rettenmaier have that same angled bead corner . Some S&L with small 'humps' are known - possibly an early trial ?

Douglas

[boch_62]

O.K. Douglas. Now I understand and agree - for me it is a S&L too

Jarek