ek1 clamshell opinion????

[lenny]

Hi there,

I got this from a friend, he reckoned it was a repro. I thought so too, but thought I would check with you guys. It's non ferrous core, magnet no sticky... apart from the brass cores, should there be non ferrous versions?? with the screwbacks being private purchase, were there wide variations in manufacturing??

Cheers

[Bruce Simcox]

Hi Lenny.....

.....the first giveaway would be the deformation in the upper right arm of this cross. You were correct in your assessment of it being a FAKE. Very strange looking beast, that one is.

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Bruce

[lenny]

ek1 clamshell

It's not a problem, it cost nothing, was a gift from a collector friend. We both thought it iffy....

However, the feormation you mentioned, is actually the cross being bent slightly, it's been buckled, after construction by the look of it.

I just wondered with it being single piece, non ferrous.

[Dez H]

Definitely run from this piece, there is nothing I like about it at all. The core, reverse, even the disc is wrong for an original. At least I guess it was a gift and you didn’t folk out a few hundred bucks like some of the souls on ebay.


Regards

Dez

[lenny]

ek1 clamshell

Hi there,

when you say it's wrong, can you explain WHY??? The clamshell is similar to one I have on a gold wound badge, veteran bringback.

apart from brass cores, were there any other non-ferous ek's??

What is wrong with the finish??

cheers...

[Frank Heukemes]

Hi Lenny,

The clamshell is the type found on many a bogus piece. It has the distinctive rim around the outer edge.

Apart from brass cores, there are e.g. zinc cores or copper coated ones.

I guess Ben Fanjoy meant that the patina looks strange or just isn´t there when he referred to the wrong finish. Also, the black colour looks odd, too smooth and glossy. But there are more things that are bad, swaz....etc., etc. Basically nothing is right on that one.

A golden wound badge with clamshell, you say? I would love to see that one. To be honest, I never saw a real one of those although they are said to have existed.

Cheers, Frank H.

[lenny]

wound badge clamshell

Hi there,

I knew the ek 1 was wrong, as soon as I held it, but it was a freebie given as a fake, for reference purposes. I was just interested in the differences. I often have a feeling for things, but just can't explain WHY I don't like it!!

Here's a photo of my clamshell gold wound badge, I forgot to say it's an imperial. It could always be a black that's had it's paint worn down, but it looks more like dirt and patina than actual black paint.

[George Stimson]

clamshell rims

I know that sounds like something you should do with your tongue, but in this case it isn't....

I've heard for a while that rims on clamshell fastening devices were a sign that the badges they were affixed to were bad. The theory, as I understand it, is that the rims would cut through uniform cloth and thus not be used on a genuine badge. I wonder about this, because:
a. Is it likely that such an eventuality (cutting through uniform cloth) would be apparent to the designers of such fastening devices before they were actually made and worn for a while?
b. Doesn't the nature of these fasteners (i.e., stamped, thin metal) assure that some of these mass-produced items would probably have rims?
c. Are these rims pronounced enough actually to cut through uniform cloth? (I mean, are the rims higher than the thickness of the cloth?)

Just wondering....

George

[Frank Heukemes]

George & lenny,

In case of the EK it is not just the clamshell rim that makes this badge bad of course. With the wound badge, I do not know, all I can say about it is that it is definitely a black one, not a golden one.

Cheers, Frank H.

[lenny]

ek1 clamshell

on the wound badge, the clamshell is very light metal, and there is hardly a rim, this just wouldn't damage a tunic, not hard or sharp enough.

as for black or gold, the back looks more grey than black, appears to not have been cleaned. No matter, as it was a gift!!