S&L SC in silber

[grenadire2307]

Hi! Tell me your opinion.
There is such a cross, no other photo .A I have a view that original late war cross.

[grenadire2307]

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[grenadire2307]

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[Legion Condor]

Hello,

I think this is the original piece. The hinge pin and was built before 1945 in the standing version. The eagle has no triangle (Cap error) on the head. Silver also makes a good impression!

What I have not seen yet in this combination is the needle hook. But as far as I know a guy from S & L was used in other badge of honor.

Greeting LC

[grenadire2307]

LC, thank for your opinion!
I am seen only 2 badge for many years: badge in thread and this http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...1&postcount=12

Can it be said that this type of badge rare?

[Legion Condor]

Hi,

not very rare! Also are not very popular with collectors. In genuine silver they are wanted!

Greeting LC

[grenadire2307]

Yes, more preferably silver, but there are unusual types Tombak SC. How many have you seen this type of crosses in your life ?

[Legion Condor]

Hello,

if I do not remember the needle hook! then about 20-25 times.

Gruß LC

[Thomas Durante]

I think this is the original piece. The hinge pin and was built before 1945 in the standing version.

I completely disagree, this type of hinge is typical of 1957 and later S&L production.

Wartime S&L block hinges are wider and stand taller compared with 1957er hinges, here are some wartime examples:

Wartime S&L Minesweeper
Wartime S&L Kriegs Destroyer
S&L Antipartisan badge (badge itself may or maynot be wartime, but the hinge is a wartime S&L hinge)

Tom

[Thomas Durante]

Now in comparison, here are some 1957er badges by S&L. All utilize a much narrower and more-squat hinge as compared with the wartime block hinge.

Tom

[Thomas Durante]

The hinge we see on the Spanish Cross is a perfect match to S&L's 1957er hinges. They are identical!

Tom

[Thomas Durante]

In addition, you can see where the pin on the Spanish Cross also carries what I call the "1957 scrape", someone has conveniently pointed to it already with red arrow. In my opinion, this scrape is identical to the tool mark we see on many 1957er badges and not something we see on wartime S&L badges. Even if you don't agree with my theory on the 1957er scrape, the hinge alone is enough to say this badge was put together using postwar hardware.

Badges like this really exemplify the problem with S&L products. Here you have a very nice looking and believable cross. Believable base metal, finish and even wear pattern all look very good. However, the hinge (and pin) are for sure 1957 and later features!

The cross itself may or may not be "wartime". I agree that the details look good could legitimately be a "wartime leftover" if we all agree for a moment that S&L even made the SK during the war. But the fact it carries 1957er hardware and therefore also received such a believable finish 10+ years after the war is pretty scary.

If they had only used a wartime hinge on this example, everyone would be singing its praises.........me included! But the give away is the 1957 hinge and knowing this was probably made 10 years after the war should serve as a scary wake up call.

Tom

[Brian S]

Yup I am a believer in the scrape based on numerous examples. '57 imho w/o doubt. And it appears owner had doubts based on first photo with arrow.

[grenadire2307]

Thanks Tom , Brian

doubts were -very well executed avers of the cross

[Legion Condor]

Hi Tom and Brian,

I can understand what they say and also share their views on the part.
I've also said this is not known to the hook in the combination for me.

Help me understand this. Here is the image of a needle system. How would you classify it? Postwar?

Thanks and regards LC

Hansgünter