Rare Schinkel-B

[boch_62]

But the first (below) is a post-war SOUVAL
the second cross is already B-Type...

Regards
Jarek

[beuwulf]

@Mametz & Hank C what's your problem...?
@Douglas You have enough rep.to be a lifetime member..
I did not know a second core & frame so I know Douglas will
came up with great information...(as always)..

[ben bijker]

Love the B type,s but this talk of first frame and different cores does my
head in. No offence to the purist, but how far do we go.
Regards
Mametz

If you like to collect crosses in all thee variations this is important.
Not if you randomly collect medals and need just one or 2 ek's.

Douglas always doe his 'homework" very well, so wait and see.

And Hank C.: after the bombing Juncker used other manufacturer's hardware, so that might be interesting to collector's as well....

[Hank C.]

@Mametz & Hank C what's your problem...?
...edit.....

Problem? No problem....you don't recognize humor? You may want to take life - and collecting - a little less seriously.

have a great sunday!!

Hank

[beuwulf]

@Hank C..

[Tiger 1]

My understanding is that the round 3 version is the original and thst the flat top 3 is a postwar copy to satisfy the collector demand for these rare pieces. Whether they are Souval or not I do not know for sure. What I do know is that they are very hard to find because of a very short production before 'standardization' of design that remained fairly consistant to the end of production.

Tony

[boch_62]

My understanding is that the round 3 version is the original and thst the flat top 3 is a postwar copy to satisfy the collector demand for these rare pieces. Whether they are Souval or not I do not know for sure. What I do know is that they are very hard to find because of a very short production before 'standardization' of design that remained fairly consistant to the end of production.

Tony

Sorry, but I do not understand.
I agree, cross B-Type is is a very rare and unique cross among the crosses EK2-1939.
In this case, there is no doubt.

But Souval's cross (like this from photos) is a well known post-war cross, with a typical core and frame with straight arms. There is nothing to do with the Deschler's cross B-Type and it is not rare at all.

IMO we can not, in the discussion of the cross B-Type, refer to the Souval's post-war cross because it can be confusing information for novice collectors of crosses EK2-1939

Jarek

[streptile]

To me that fake (shown by boch_62) is not a fake of the B-Type, but a bad fake that happens, by coincidence, to look like the B-Type. I doubt that anyone knew about, or valued, the B-Type when it was made.

There are also unscrupulous dealers and sellers who claim different authentic EKs, like the "Odd Date" and the "Straight-Arm," are "B-Type variants" or "Schinkel-B variants." Neither of these is a variant of the B-Type in my opinion; they are both just unknown makers that dealers try to big up to sell for a profit.

[boch_62]

To me that fake (shown by boch_62) is not a fake of the B-Type, but a bad fake that happens, by coincidence, to look like the B-Type. I doubt that anyone knew about, or valued, the B-Type when it was made.

There are also unscrupulous dealers and sellers who claim different authentic EKs, like the "Odd Date" and the "Straight-Arm," are "B-Type variants" or "Schinkel-B variants." Neither of these is a variant of the B-Type in my opinion; they are both just unknown makers that dealers try to big up to sell for a profit.

Jarek

[jcwater]

So I bought a fake, to compare before
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[streptile]

JC,

Nice original. The other one (left) is the fake.

A nice rare cross, and while I'm certainly no expert on B types, I noticed that this one has quite a bit of paint on the frames so was were the cores painted after assembly?

Hey George,

All these were painted after assembly.

[jcwater]

JC,

Nice original. The other one (left) is the fake.



Hey George,

All these were painted after assembly.

I know

[Douglas 5]

I have now posted the observation on the 2 B types :

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=1#post6707538

Douglas

[napesica]

Rare Schinkel-B

Is there not a place on the Forum to post thieves and scam artists? Mingzhi Zhou from China, who uses the alias JC Waters is such a person and should be reported and avoided. He took me for an original pair of boots and the money too. My fault for being so trusting.

[mp409mm]

Souval's cross

Hi All, Thank you for all this information even that sometimes due to my inexperience it is a bit confusing. Maybe someone can explain please what is a Souval's cross.
And how many types of Schinkel Form crosses there are, recently I bought one and now I am getting dizzy trying to figure out if I bought a fake or not. Even about my round 3 I am getting worried.
Thank you for any information.
Alf