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    #1

    Please check what i found !

    i am surprised for below data from my datebase, today i reveal some data of DKiG for you, any comments are welcome!

    1, Deschler 10 rivets ---- 4 examples

    2, very early Juncker ---- 6 examples (4 of them have broken enamel)
    (9 notches, narrow wreath, polished mirror reverse)

    3, Zimmermann L/52 ---- 13 examples

    4, early Juncker ---- 14 examples (10 of them have broken enamel)
    (13 notches with marked "2" on the pin only!)

    5, Deschler 6 rivets ---- 42 examples
    (short pin)

    6, early Juncker ---- 47 examples (34 of them have broken enamel)
    (heavy, w/o maker mark on the pin)

    7, Godet (heavy + light ) ---- 76 examples (heavy : light = 7:1)
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    #2
    Very interesting stuff . Looks like I need to buy another one !!!!! Also looks like Junckers on your list didn't fare well ? That's a lot of broken enamel . Thanks for the info . Dave

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      #3
      interesting ! and good to know that my very early Juncker is so hard to find.

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        #4
        yours is included.
        i don't think Godet is rare, and i forgot to say 12 pcs in mint condition, 11 for heavy, 1 for light.
        i am surprised 6 rivets short pin are so many.

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          #5
          Originally posted by PanzerElite View Post
          yours is included.
          i don't think Godet is rare, and i forgot to say 12 pcs in mint condition, 11 for heavy, 1 for light.
          i am surprised 6 rivets short pin are so many.
          Looks like just one of these isn't going to be enough ! But what the heck - doesn't a person always need more than one of something neat ? Light Godet next - or ??!!!?? Dave

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            #6
            I'd be curious to know your breakdown for the 4-rivet Deschler heavy : light

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              #7
              - Update -

              1, Deschler 10 rivets ---- 4 examples <no update>

              2, very early Juncker ---- 6 examples (4 of them have broken enamel)
              (9 notches, narrow wreath, polished mirror reverse) <no update>

              3, Zimmermann L/52 ---- 14 examples

              4, early Juncker ---- 15 examples (11 of them have broken enamel)
              (heavy, 13 notches with marked "2" on the pin only!)

              5, Deschler 6 rivets ---- 45 examples
              (short pin)

              6, early Juncker ---- 49 examples (35 of them have broken enamel)
              (heavy, w/o maker mark on the pin)

              7, Godet (heavy + light ) ---- 80 examples (heavy : light = 7:1)

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                #8
                - Update -

                1, Deschler 10 rivets ---- 4 examples

                *2, very early Juncker ---- 7 examples (5 of them have broken enamel)
                (9 notches, narrow wreath, polished mirror reverse)

                3, Zimmermann L/52 ---- 14 examples

                4, early Juncker ---- 15 examples (11 of them have broken enamel)
                (heavy, 13 notches with marked "2" on the pin only!)

                5, Deschler 6 rivets ---- 45 examples
                (short pin)

                *6, early Juncker ---- 50 examples (35 of them have broken enamel)
                (heavy, w/o maker mark on the pin)

                *7, Godet (heavy + light ) ---- 83 examples (heavy : light = 7:1)

                *8, Deschler heavy ---- 70 examples

                *9, Deschler light ---- 15 examples


                * = new data added.

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                  #9
                  - Update -

                  1, Deschler 10 rivets ---- 4 examples

                  2, very early Juncker ---- 7 examples (5 of them have broken enamel)
                  (9 notches, narrow wreath, polished mirror reverse)

                  3, Zimmermann L/52 ---- 14 examples

                  4, early Juncker ---- 15 examples (11 of them have broken enamel)
                  (heavy, 13 notches with marked "2" on the pin only!)

                  *5, Deschler 6 rivets ---- 46 examples
                  (short pin)

                  *6, early Juncker ---- 51 examples (35 of them have broken enamel)
                  (heavy, w/o maker mark on the pin)

                  *7, Godet (heavy + light ) ---- 85 examples (heavy : light = 7:1)

                  *8, Deschler heavy ---- 71 examples

                  9, Deschler light ---- 15 examples


                  * = new data added.

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                    #10
                    Hi,

                    you forget .......1 Godet 14 rivets !! ( winkler's site)

                    a discutible but very, very interesting piece .......

                    actually it's not considerated from the collectors world a known sure original but I had opportunity to study it in my hands and sure soon or later it will be considerated a war time made ( All characteristics + weight and measurementes of a DK's early Godet piece )

                    recently in this forum can see a topic with an early Godet 6 rivets very closed....

                    Ivan Bombardieri

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                      #11
                      I believe it is right to add the six rivets long pin DK in Gold by Deschler, quite rare one indeed.

                      About the cross with 14 rivets, also the good pics maken by Kai shows just a couple of details just close to an original Godet, all rest clearly a fantasy from fakers.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by fabri-online View Post
                        I believe it is right to add the six rivets long pin DK in Gold by Deschler, quite rare one indeed.

                        About the cross with 14 rivets, also the good pics maken by Kai shows just a couple of details just close to an original Godet, all rest clearly a fantasy from fakers.

                        not only a couple of details but many other very important details ......you will see in the future.......we must only wait...

                        Ivan Bombardieri

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                          #13
                          Hello Ivan,

                          I do not know whether the shown piece is good or bad since I did not have the change to look at it closely. However, I was told that it is not and that some of the outer rivets are dummies.

                          But here is what makes me sceptical apart from hear-say and opinions. It is known and documented that the company of Deschler did not only get the contract to develop the award of the German Cross but also got the order for the first 2000 pieces (and most likley more afterwards).The early 10 piece construction is a Deschler and it is also known as an actual award piece. The next model is also Deschler with the six rivets and it is fair to assume that this was the model that was delivered in large quantities to the PKZ. As it was always the case, the earlier award numbers were relatively low and grew only later on, causing the need to have more suppliers.
                          We do not know for sure who was the second one, but based on the development history of the Juncker piece, I would venture that it was Juncker. The Godet, which I consider the third suppplier, came to market with an already well designed six-rivet piece later on.

                          Based on that, why would Godet have a 14 rivet piece in its program? At best it could have been a very, very early production proposal by Godet to the PKZ, even before Deschler got the development contract.

                          Somehow this piece makes no sense in the light of the documented history of the German Cross.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by fabri-online View Post
                            I believe it is right to add the six rivets long pin DK in Gold by Deschler, quite rare one indeed.

                            About the cross with 14 rivets, also the good pics maken by Kai shows just a couple of details just close to an original Godet, all rest clearly a fantasy from fakers.
                            i have only one example for this type. but this is transitional type, so i don't open a new account for this.

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                              #15
                              1, Deschler 10 rivets ---- 4 examples

                              2, very early Juncker ---- 7 examples (5 of them have broken enamel)
                              (9 notches, narrow wreath, polished mirror reverse)

                              3, Zimmermann L/52 ---- 14 examples

                              4, early Juncker ---- 15 examples (11 of them have broken enamel)
                              (heavy, 13 notches with marked "2" on the pin only!)

                              *5, Deschler 6 rivets ---- 47 examples
                              (short pin)

                              *6, early Juncker ---- 52 examples (35 of them have broken enamel)
                              (heavy, w/o maker mark on the pin)

                              *7, Godet (heavy + light ) ---- 87 examples (heavy : light = 7:1)

                              *8, Deschler heavy ---- 73 examples

                              *9, Deschler light ---- 16 examples


                              * = new data added.

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