Deumer EKII spanges

[CMSgt]

I noticed that Deumer used two different dies in making their EKII spanges. I have labeled them A & B. The differences is the cutout in the wing shoulders, beak is cutoff, and the claws thickness. The A is not marked, the B is marked. Comments are welcome. Jim

[streptile]

Hi Jim,

Definitely different dies.

The big question for me is, has anyone ever seen the "A" type marked L/11?

[Hans N]

Interesting Jim! Similar thing can be seen among the WB´s as well with the differance that both designs are known with different makermarkes

[Jean-Claude]

HI Jim,


I agree they do seem to come from different dies and your "A" type is a real beauty with perfect detail and finish : a great bird. No sure if I'm off in left field again ( or my glasses are overdue) but looking at my 2 full size EK II spanges and assuming they are both Deumer this maker may have even had more than 2 dies (or it could also just be die wear) because mine look different than yours.

Sorry for the poor picts (but they are the only ones I have at the moment) but to me

1) my left specimen (which appears to be nickle silver as there is no tombac colour "seeping out" of the silver finish despite the wear/age) is reminiscent of your "A" version design wise for the head and wing/shoulder area. It is also unmarked like yours but you'll notice the detail is very deep (tri-dimensionnal?) particularly in the chest area

2) my right specimen is a tombac piece marked "L/11" but the design also looks different than both of yours. The detail isnt as good/delicate as your "A" specimen but the wing, head and other detail is better than your "B" specimen. It could just be an earlier strike from the same "B" die before it developped the beak flaw

Best regards

JC

[CMSgt]

spange

JC, look at the square that I drew on the picture and you will see the main difference between A & B. Both of yours are type A. Jim

[CMSgt]

third

I just looked at another Deumer that has a micro L/11 stamped and it is different from the first two.

[spitfire-01]

Deumer Spange

Hi,

These are my two Deumer , both with L/11 makers mark. Left hand one type A and the right hand one Type B.

Cheers
Russell

[CMSgt]

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Russell, nice to see Type A marked, which answers Streptiles question. Jim

[MH184]

I just sent you a PM regarding this one, Jim. However, this is also a marked L/11 type A, too, in it's original packet. This is actually a rather rare and sought after Spange packet, and more to the point the Deumer address on the packet is devoid of a frame.

My apologies for the night pictures taken on my phone.

Best,

Marcus