EK2 on the LDO box review

[sanya13]

Hí Guys
What is your opinion about the box and the cross ?
the box is brown color not black ,but I hope is seem the pictures
EK2 marked mark L/11 mint condition

[sanya13]

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[sanya13]

the cross and front side

[sanya13]

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[sanya13]

the bottom

[Tom Yanacek]

Hi Sanya,

The LdO box and Deumer EK2 both look good to me. A very nice set!

Best regards,
Tom

[streptile]

I agree, a very nice box.

This brown box was intended for the KVK2.

An LdO directive called "Unified Order Packaging" and dated 1.3.1941 states in part:

...from 1st March 1941 restrikes of orders and medals instituted after 30 January 1933 may only be delivered for commercial sale in wrappings and packagings approved by the LdO...the symbol of the LdO is to be used on all...:

2. Halbetui I, black: for EK II Class;
3. Halbetui II, brown: for KVKII with and without swords, Police Service Decoration I and II Class, and Customs Decoration;
4. Halbetui III, blue: for Long Service Decoration I and II Class and Special Class, Fire Service Decoration, Honor Cross of the German Mother I, II, and III Class...

Was this directive was really followed? I don't know.

[sanya13]

Thanks for help Trevor
You are always precise and correct
Sanya

I agree, a very nice box.

This brown box was intended for the KVK2.

An LdO directive called "Unified Order Packaging" and dated 1.3.1941 states in part:



Was this directive was really followed? I don't know.

[plaut]

Hi Trev,

I think it was ignored by some - take a look KVK doesn't fit in to the base - it's clearly Ekii base ( case is also marked L/58) at bottom

I have also blue case (L55) with EKi base

[sanya13]

KVK 2 on the box
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=334902

[sanya13]

another blue internal box

[MH184]

I agree, a very nice box.

This brown box was intended for the KVK2.

An LdO directive called "Unified Order Packaging" and dated 1.3.1941 states in part:

Was this directive was really followed? I don't know.

Hi Trevor,

I think you've just misinterpreted the rather sparse content of this article very slightly; or rather been mislead as it indeed reads. I know this extract very well and its content too, as I used this for a table pertaining to the origins of the LDO packaging for my unpublished book on this very subject matter. However, this directive only really relates to the intended and incipient packaging in their first pattern form and guise of the first series.

For ease of classification and leaning towards a sense of a chronological order there then transpired to be a subsequent ''transitional period'' prior to the introduction of the ''second series'' and subsequently a full new range of cases and some of the first series were incorporated into that ''new'' range and many were dismissed or took on a newly adopted form; i.e the wound badge cardboard box for a prime example was later devoid of the lid cut-outs; another good example is the types of grey coloured cardboard boxes (lid & sleeve form) for the Spangen were thus seemingly discontinued, also, and as I state there were many others, too.

Below, I show the actual brown case type from the first series range that the directive indicates for the KVK, and a period picture depicting some of the first series cases, boxes and cartons; note the exact same KVK case as I show. Incidentally, the blue half-case it also mentions further down (number, 4, I think) IS the one in the same case as the EK2 version shown, but that was in a dark blue with an intentionally slightly smaller base recess to accommodate its intended.

And, also a ''brown'' EK2 case that I own - I'm just about to sell it actually and this is not an intended plug - and these are actually exceedingly bloody rare and seldom - if ever - found for sale. They are a second pattern guise in a first - shell - pattern case that was incorporated into the second series range and thus beyond in the almost nondescript array that hence would follow.

This brown pattern of outer covering is not a type associated with the LDO ranges and as to its use can only be imagined and ultimately guessed; I support the theory of a manufacturer making use of a dark paper covering and that the matter was perceived as inconsequential in the whole scheme of things. I envisage by the same notion that the same would pertain to the ''green'' and ''blue'' EK1 cases. And, although I have condensed my ''theory of evolution'' concerning the packaging over the six years of war I would still estimate these second pattern brown (..and their black counterparts of this cases construction traits in the base, etc) to be of a distinct mid era in the war, if not a more likely mid to latter duration perhaps.

So, all-in-all the gentleman that started this thread has a very, very rare cased EK2 set, if only based really on the colour and outer covering pattern.

Kind regards,

Marcus

[MH184]

A first pattern and first series ''brown'' KVK2 case and the black EK2 case of the same series/pattern.

[MH184]

The ''brown'' first pattern EK2 case that was adopted into the second series on the right, and to the left a first series, first pattern case of earlier distinction in traits and indeed the first pattern LDO logo on the lid too.

[sanya13]

thanks for comment Marcus