EK2 "LUG " marked "Z" review

[Woolgar]

Hí Nick
Michal is right IMO this is a type wartime and not number five but Z or 2 but rather marked mark Z

I mean it looks like the post war stamps on crosses marked 5

I have one

Nick

[Douglas 5]

Interesting mark - thanks : The top line seams shorter than the bottom line . The ' Z's I have seen are even . From the last picture does not look like a 2 ... something in between .
A ' Z ' mark was used long before on Imperial EK2s ... with no lug and different frames and cores . Wonder if the ' Z ' stands for Zimmermann - Fritz ?
Cross 1

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

2nd cross type :

Douglas

[plaut]

Hi Douglas,

It took ages to scan mm at 4800dpi but here is result

As far as I know Z is identified as H.Zehn

[plaut]

also on "lug" you can find some connections to Juncker's ie. ring is cut exactly the same way (angle) as we can find on Junckers

[sanya13]

hí Douglas and Michal

an acquaintance of mine found this cross

This page was written ,manufacturer : Hersteller Zeich
but I did not hear anything about it

Maciej put up his cross made of very well see the " Z " form

"Maciej hope you do not mind me if I put the picture "

[Douglas 5]

Well that is a nice scan .
Because the top is flat -- it looks like a Z . H Zehn ... I do not have in my lists .
War Relics Forum shows Z as possible Zeich Berlin .

Douglas

[Woolgar]

Sorry but I still think the 2 mark on Sanya's is a post war stamp not a Z

Nick

[Eryk]

Sanya - no problem. For the purposes of the cognitive use of the pictures

[Douglas 5]

Eryk's -- Z mark is the same as Sanyas - with the small " hooks " at the end . .. and shorter than the Imperial cross used Z mark which is taller . 2 different 'Z s' and probably 2 different companies .

Douglas

[sanya13]

THX Maciej

Sanya - no problem. For the purposes of the cognitive use of the pictures

[sanya13]

Hí Douglas
You're absolutely right
it does not match Imperial manufacturer
This type of Z font shaped different
(I just wrote it that the seller so advertised, With this addition, ,)

Eryk's -- Z mark is the same as Sanyas - with the small " hooks " at the end . .. and shorter than the Imperial cross used Z mark which is taller . 2 different 'Z s' and probably 2 different companies .

Douglas

[streptile]

This mark is a wartime mark but has never been found on a cross that can be really conclusively linked to Juncker. It's always on crosses that are almost Junckers... the "long flaw" frame or the "lug" frame (which are interrelated, as Stefan K. showed us), sometimes with Juncker cores and sometimes without.

Also the mark is very mysterious, always over a seam. I think it could be a tool mark used by one specific maker to hold the ring seam together. Or it could be a Z. Or a 2, and the cross could be a very rare marked Juncker.

Definitely not the same as an Imperial "Z" mark though.