Opinions wanted on EKI and Spangen

[peterwyndavies]

I would be grateful for opinions on these items which appear to have no markings. I apologise for the poor quality of the photographs, but hope that an opinion is possible on them.
Thanks,
Peter

[CMSgt]

Ek

Can you post bigger photos so we can see the details? Thanks, Jim

[streptile]

Both are fakes Peter.

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks CMSgt and Trevor. I have tried posting this with some new app on my iPad, which seems to have made the pictures much smaller than usual. I will have to experiment some more!
I had my suspicions about the Spangen, but was unsure about the EKI. Thanks very much.