Just got this S&L 'barter board' with 2 last production zinc Rk KVK 
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Very nice but not often seen
AndyComment
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Very nice and interesting!
Would it be possible to have a close up of the prager burg spange as it does not seem to be the usual type?Comment
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Great board! Do you know the source/date?
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Does anybody here believe that the zinc Knights Crosses of the War Merit Cross were produced on orders of the PKZ with the intend to be awarded before May 1945?
DietrichComment
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Does anyone know for a FACT that they were not?Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
In any case, do you seriously think that shop/museum display pieces (which is what, IMO, these were probably intended for), of non-precious metals, were not produced before May 1945?Comment
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OK, Many years ago say about 35 or so, There was a collector in L.A. that had a salesman sample boards only it was suit case size, on this board were some wonderful awards to include two I believe KVKKC w/wo swords, done in base metal. So, I know they were done.
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With S&L (and some other companies as well) you never know.
Maybe they are pre-45, maybe they were made as "souvenirs" for the allied soldiers....
Hard to say after all these years.Comment
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Of course I don't know whether they were made before May 1945 or not. That is why I wrote "believe" and not "know". IMO they are not, but I don't know that and if they will be offered as "museum pieces" or "display pieces" there is nothing substantial I could offer as a counter argument - other than the looks.Originally posted by Leroy View Post
I don't think that anybody can dispute the fact that they were done. The question is, als always with S&L, when. 35 years ago is "only" 1979 ....OK, Many years ago say about 35 or so, There was a collector in L.A. that had a salesman sample boards only it was suit case size, on this board were some wonderful awards to include two I believe KVKKC w/wo swords, done in base metal. So, I know they were done.
But I will not argue anymore, this is all in the realm of believe.
DietrichComment
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I have no issue with these being end of war production which is one of the reasons I purchased them. The shop display theory may have some merit to it- Helmut Weitze once referred to these pieces as 'shop guardians' to me.
Dietrich- when first made these would have looked to all intents and purposes exactly like the silver crosses so would have been very attractive and only close examination would have revealed them to be base metal as zinc holds the strike so well. Hence the reason most German awards were produced in zinc, it follows logically to me that if they made the kvk1 in zinc then why not the RK as 2nd purchase or display pieces?Comment
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The "realm of believe" is very often the very real experience generated from dealing directly, and repeatedly, with U.S. (and British, etc.) vets, an experience many, unfortunately, do not have, and not one to be casually, lightly, and sometimes derogatorily, cast aside.Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View PostComment
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I remember seen a similar board on sale on a online auction not too long ago....Comment
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Sure!The "realm of believe" is very often the very real experience generated from dealing directly, and repeatedly, with U.S. (and British, etc.) vets,.....
And very often "the very real experience" goes the other way. Which makes clear that there is really not a "rule" of when to believe or when not, unfortunately. This might be the fault of certain individuals who have used the term "veteran acquired" very loose, to say the least. But that does not mean that sourcing from veterans has no value, far from it (I would like to mention the current Klessheim article ...), but IMO it just takes a little more than just to say "from a US or British vet."
But again, if it is believed that they are pre-May 1945 so be it. They have, however, nothing directly to do with the official pieces, neither with those found in Klessheim bei US-veterans (!!) nor with the actual awarded pieces.
Dietrich
PS: I am correct in my assumption that they are not stamped "4"? Ar any of the other pieces stamped? "L/16" or "4"?Comment
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