Lüdenscheid Makers

[Leroy]

Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of all the makers associated with Lüdenscheid? So far, I've seen (in no particular order):

F.W. Assmann & Sohne
Berg & Nolte
Friedrich Linden
Paulmann & Crone
Steinhauer & Lück
Overhoff & Cie
Wilhelm Deumer
E. Schneider
R. Sieper & Söhne
Gebruder Wegerhoff
J. Dinnerbier
Christian Theodore Dicke
Hillenbrand u. Broer
P.W. Heb
Schauerte & Höhfeld
Fritz Zimmermann & Söhne (I know Fritz Zimmermann of Stuttgart, but have
seen several references to this firm - "& Söhne" in Lüdenscheid. Is
this a branch office, unrelated completely, or just wrong?)

Can anyone help correct, or add to, this list?

Thanks!

[Tiger88]

Hi Leroy!

A few years ago I did a "geografical survey" over the PKZ numbered makers of awards.

Missing from your list are: Adolf Baumeister '37', Funke & Brüninghaus '116',
Wilhelm Schröder & Co '130', Hymmen & Co '139'.
It was mentioned somewhere that PKZ maker '75' might be Franke & Co, I don't know if this is so, but they were located in Lüdenscheid.

According to my "survey" the makers was concentrated to 5 places, with Gablonz
being the biggest, followed by Vienna, Lüdenscheid, Pforzheim and Idar-Oberstein. This is just counting PKZ numbered makers 1-142.

There were many more makers in Lüdenscheid, I'll try to post them later.

//Thomas

[Leroy]

Thank you! This is very good information. I will look forward to anything else you can post.

[Tiger88]

Hi again Leroy!

Here are some non PKZ numbered makers that resided in Lüdenscheid:

Albert Ihne, Albert vom Hofe, Bernhard Haarmann, Cramer & Dombach, Emil Juttner, Ernst Conze, Ewald Turck, Gebrüder Dombach, Gebrüder Gloerfeldt, Gebrüder Hahne, Gebrüder Lange, Hermann Knuller, Hermann Schulte & sohn,
Hillenbrand & Bruer, K F Vogelsang & Co, Max Kamper, Noelle & Hueck KG, Otto Geiger, P C Turck Witwe, Paul Cramer & Co.

There are a few more on the list, if I have time I'll post them tomorrow.
Hope this helps

//Thomas

[Leroy]

This is GREAT! Thanks so much for these additional names. Now we are up to 41 makers in Lüdenscheid! Incredible...

[Douglas 5]

Went through the maker lists I have to pull out more Lüdenscheid manufacturers :
If you think 41 is a lot Leroy ... just add up at the end . I tried avoiding any duplications as some companies may have over time changed their names or algamated with other firms or sold out completely : and how many companies existed at the same time I do not know - many for sure .
By no means is this list complete .

All with PKz #s: taken from the M1 to M12 lists :

Wilhelm Berg
Rutting & Mertz
Tweer & Turck
Robert Deitenbeck
Walter Demmer
Leistner & Co
Paul Schuhmacher
Knopffabrik von Hofe & Co
Ebberg Co GmbH
Willi Thuy
Julius Kremp
Kugel & Fink
Wilhelm Geiger GmbH
Brauchmann Pröbsting
Nottebohrn & Co
Robert Deitenbeck
Rittinghaus & Co
August Wengeler
Friedrich C Werthmann
Albert Winkel
Gebrüder Wegerhoff
Krück & Co
Aufermann & Söhne
Gustav Cordt
Peter Seuser
KF Selter GmbH
Reum & von Hofe
Albert Kallwinkel Co
J Brinker
Brauckmann & Rahmede
Walter Heinrich Schmidt
Emil Jüttner
Carl Jüngermann
Walter Deumer
Weiland & Sure
Ewald Turck
Pleuger & Voss
Otto Geiger
Frank & Co KG
Carl Theodor Hicke
Gottlieb & Wagner
Franz Wübben

WH - Equipment manufacturing ;( and odenance components ?): in Lüdenscheid:

Nottebohm (cyd)
Dr Bohme & Co (dwc)

Now what comes next will explain why we had this large amount of companies and flurry of activity in this town or area ;

Westfälische Kupfer und Messing Werk AG (na) - Lüdenscheid
Copper and brass production

Edward Hück Metalwalze (oa) - Lüdenscheid
Metal roller plant

Busch und Jäger Lüdenscheider Metallwerke (xa)- Lüdenscheid
Metal supplier

The most important source is there for all these manufacturing companies to set up shop and thrive ...---'every thing they need is " ... just across the street " !

Hope this helps - give or take another 47 or so :

Cheers Douglas

[Leroy]

Douglas - Thanks very much! I really appreciate you taking the time to do this.

I believe it's really beneficial for collectors to comprehend the "world" of this type of manufacturing and to appreciate all the interactions and possible relationships which could exist in just one small geographical area such as the example used here of the town of Lüdenscheid.

[Tiger88]

Hi guys!

Looking through Douglas list I can add only one more: Schroder & Co.

Question for Leroy. With "makers" did you mean all metalware such as belt buckles, insignia, helmets, or just medals and badges?

I assumed the latter, maybe this was wrong?

//Thomas

[Douglas 5]

Spelling at times is tricky .... depending on the source where it comes from ...the Umlaut spelling , some will only use the plain a, o, u etc and not the German spelling or just add on an 'e' instead . In regards : Schroder ....is it not the same as Schröder ? You have it in your own post #2 .
Interesting question : the ones I added are war time manufacturers - mainly producing something out of metal .
What I thought Leroy was after any and all manufacturing . ... quote ." .... all the makers associated with Ludenscheid . "

Douglas

[Leroy]

Really, I initially meant badges and medals, but many of these companies (including Assmann and others) "lived in both worlds" and made military accoutrements of all kinds. Most were not direct retailers, maintaining commercial shops for the public, but "suppliers to the trade" instead. I suspect that they had only friendly "rivalries" (not to mention family connections) and helped each other routinely.

[Norm F]

Hi Guys,

I'm a bit confused about the scope of the intended list? Lüdenscheid was an industrial town, so is it really useful to have a list of every metal working company in the whole town? Seems to me it would be more interesting to maintain separate lists of manufacturers for each area of interest, i.e. all awards makers, or all cross makers, or all combat badge makers, or all tinnie makers, or all dagger makers, etc.

What's the point of listing all companies? (Just asking.)

Best regards,
---Norm

[Tiger88]

@ Douglas, maybe you are right, they might be the same firm.
The Wilhelm Schröder & Co (with ö) is listed PKZ # 130 as award makers. The other Schroder & Co seem to have no PKZ # though.

//Thomas

[Tiger88]

@ Douglas, very interesting info about all the metalworks around town, like you said, that explains the location and concentration of makers. I wonder if the same goes for Gablonz, Pforzheim and the others?

Hi Norm,

As for the purpose and eventual use of this info, we will have to ask Leroy

//Thomas

[Douglas 5]

I had another look and on page 3 of my list there is a Schroder & Co and it does have a PKz # M1/108 --- which I took as a miss-spelled Schröder without the first name Wilhelm .
Correct .... they are different makers . So that makes one more !

Douglas

[Leroy]

Norm - I think most of these companies were involved in the manufacture of military/poliical insignia and related components, be it badges or buttons or crosses or tinnies or even buckles or cap eagles. As such, they would have shared a commonality of experience in die design, manufacture, procurement and/or usage, finishing techniques, attachment hardware, etc., all of which relate, to a greater or lesser extent, to what we collect. If some made only crosses or only combat badges, etc., that would, of course, be nice to know.