Spanish Cross w/case (repro)

[Eric Stahlhut]

Hi Kids!

Just wanted to know if anyone else has seen this type of item. The case may or not be a repro. It doesn't glow and the button is magnetic.It is interesting due to the paper tags affixed to the back.
Opinions?

[Eric Stahlhut]

paper tags:

[Eric Stahlhut]

reverse of case:

[Eric Stahlhut]

obverse of badge. Sorry for the poor image quality- the actual definition is better than depicted.

[Eric Stahlhut]

reverse of badge. Note the incorrect type of pin assembly. The badge is heavily vaulted and has no hallmarks. Interestingly enough, the badge tests as 'sterling silver'. huh.

[R v Kempen]

personally i don't like the badge esspecially the eagle's tail they are falling down to far ...i'm not an expert i just started studying the spanisch cross

hope it helps
or when i'm wrong someone else can correct it

Richard

[mott5ranch]

Hi Eric,
I'm no expert. But I don't like the drooping tails either. I also thought that one arm of the swaz should be cut out. Is there a number on the back......oops, my bad....I see now you say no marks. The case is even more interesting. I see the LDO logo with what appears to me to be Polish stickers. The paper stamps could have been placed there at any time. It does make me wonder.

Maybe Francois and Bill M. will add to this.

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Eric,

The cross is definitely bad (as you already know) and the case seems to be from Müller Militaria in England who reproduces almost all Third Reich cases. At least I know for sure that he uses exactly this burgundy red fabric and velvet for some of his cases, it is also his type of bright silver LDO mark.

One of the tags is from the province of Laibach, the other in Kyrillic is from Jugoslavia. Infull it reads something like "Federal Democracy Jugoslavia", Democracy being the first word.

Cheers, Frank H.

[Frank Heukemes]

Here is one of his fake cases with the burgundy red velvet.
Since you are mainly an Imperial collector you probably know better than me that this burgundy red was actually used in some Imperial cases but to my knowledge hardly ever in Third Reich cases. Can some case specialists confirm that?

Cheers, Frank H.

[Eric Stahlhut]

Thanks, Frank

I thought that the green cases were for the bronze SK. Because of the paper tags on the reverse, I assumed that a museum in the former Yugo republic had a stock of them and decided to add a repro badge in order to peddle a few souveniers. I have heard of this happening before.... why would someone go to the effort of taking a Müller case and adding these strange tags? It doesn't make sense...... Laibach used to be part of Yugoslavia, didn't it?
Anyhow, it is part of my 'odd repro' collection which consists primarily of this piece and an ultra-rare 800 silver navy pilot's badge!

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Eric,

You are absolutely right, adding these tags to a Müller repro does not make sense, but who knows why they are there. To be honest, I didn´t really notice your case was dark green until you mentioned it. Just my observation with the burgundy red velvet from Müller, I might be wrong, as I said "it seems to be". I hope someone more knowledgeable about Spanish Cross cases like Francois can provide more solid info.

Cheers, Frank

[François SAEZ]

As you know, Jacques C. and I are preparing an article on SC, but I have to say I am happy with the observations made here by you all.
I confirm that, IMO:
1 - the cross is definitively a fake
2 - The case is possibly ok but the LDO green cases were for the private purchase medals - not only bronze ones

You see, nothing new to what you have said