Early Deumer EK1?

[Tom Yanacek]

Hi guys,

I got this EK1 today at a local gold-buying store. I don't think it's a Godet or Zimmermann. Looks more like an early Deumer, although the pin seems a bit narrower than usual. The core is iron with a copper undercoat.

I would appreciate any and all opinions about this cross. Is this a Deumer?

Thank you and best regards,
Tom

[HuD]

That's correct, you've got a so called early Deumer.
Nicely worn cross.
Cheers,
Stefano

[Tom Yanacek]

That's correct, you've got a so called early Deumer.
Nicely worn cross.
Cheers,
Stefano

Wow! That was fast!

Thank you very much, Stefano, for the confirmation.

Best regards,
Tom

[Woolgar]

A nice Deumer ! I love the copper cores

Nick

[EKman]

Very nice, I have a similar one. They were very popular with U-Boat and High Seas Fleet sailors because of the copper (rust proof) cores.

[Hank C.]

Very nice cross! Congrats on it.

[Douglas 5]

Nice one with copper core !

Douglas

[ben bijker]

Usually these are just copper-plated, so try a magnet and you are sure.

But then again: you already wrote that...

it's early......

Happy Easter!

[Tom Yanacek]

Thank you!

Thanks to everyone for the comments.

Usually these are just copper-plated, so try a magnet and you are sure.

But then again: you already wrote that...

it's early......

Happy Easter!

Yes indeed! As I mentioned in my first post, the core is not copper: it is iron with a copper undercoat and a black-painted topcoat.

Best regards,
Tom

[Tom Yanacek]

Another Deumer EK1

Hello guys,

Here is another early Deumer that I got today at a gun show. This one appears to have seen some hard use. The pin and catch are bent, there are some dings to the frame beading, and on the reverse there is a gouge on the right edge of the upper cross arm. The lower cross arm is bent forward, giving the cross a concave appearance. I still think it looks pretty nice and I'm sure this one seen a bit of the action.

Best regards,
Tom

[Tom Yanacek]

oblique reverse:

[Robert P.]

Deumer pins have a radius under the pin (arrow), where Zimmermann's and Godet's have more of a 90 degree corner under the pin (second photo).

Robert

[Tom Yanacek]

Deumer pins have a radius under the pin (arrow), where Zimmermann's and Godet's have more of a 90 degree corner under the pin (second photo).

Hello Robert,

Thank you for that illustration.

Here are the same views of the Deumer pin, to better show that radius you mention.

Best regards,
Tom

[Thomas Durante]

Very nice early Deumer Tom, has some great character (love the polished swastika).

Robert, thanks for the great tip on the radius of the Deumer pins compared with the other makers, I didn't know that. Excellent info.

Tom

[Robert P.]

You're welcome Tom,

This was not always the case though with Deumer. Their KVKI series of awards saw the advent of different styles of pins, some with the radius pin, some without. Here is a zinc KVKI with a different style pin...

Robert