Assmann packet with EKII

[Hans Kondor]

Hello guys,

this set arrived yesterday. I would liek to hear you opinion about it.

The EKII looks like what it is said as Wernstein.

[Hans Kondor]

date:

[Hans Kondor]

Packet:

[Hans Kondor]

close up:

[plaut]

Hi Hans,

IMO it's "8" variant by unknown marker

[Danny70]

I agree with Michal, it is the unknown maker variant we have been calling an '8' for want of a better name.

Regards - Danny

[Hans Kondor]

Hello guys,

thank you, so far I guessed the same, but what do you think about the packet, I saw only one before, so a confirm about authenticy would be good.

[plaut]

packet looks good to me!

[Allan P.]

Yes, a nice packet I like it a lot!

Allan

[streptile]

Very nice Packet -- third one I've seen

[streptile]

The EKII looks like what it is said as Wernstein.

... unknown maker variant we have been calling an '8' for want of a better name.

We should really come up with a better name for this u/m EK2, so we don't perpetuate this misunderstanding. Calling a variant the name of a maker because one cross was stamped with that maker's number almost certainly by a faker is madness (and yes -- I know -- I did it myself)

Any suggestions based on the "look" of the cross? The "3" in 1939 is very high-waisted. Could that be something?

[Hans Kondor]

Thank you very much for your comments guys.

So most probably this set was not came together?

Is this EKII a harder to find variant? I usually don't ask such a questions on EKs, but this variant I not really checked earlier.

[streptile]

So most probably this set was not came together?

As far as I'm concerned it could have. To me this is one small piece pointing towards Assmann as the maker of this cross. This EK2 is a total, complete unknown maker -- a tabula rasa. So this set is the first hint of a maker we have for it.

Keep it together!

[colin davie]

Is the "8" marked cross the one owned by Philippe DB?
If so, how is it known that the cross was not made by Hoffstätter (8), who in a headed A4 letter said he made EK2?
Would just like to learn, forgive me if it's a daft question.
C

[streptile]

Is the "8" marked cross the one owned by Philippe DB?
If so, how is it known that the cross was not made by Hoffstätter (8), who in a headed A4 letter said he made EK2?
Would just like to learn, forgive me if it's a daft question.
C

Your questions are all very good.

I don't know who owns the "8" we're all talking about any more, but it's this one:



Here's why I personally doubt it's a Hoffstätter (let's call it L/19 for ease of discussion). We know what L/19 EK1s look like. They use a distinctive frame and core, both of which are different from the "8" marked example shown above. I personally can't think (off the top of my head) of any other maker that used totally different frames and cores for their 1 and 2 class crosses (can someone else?). So we might expect that L/19 EK2s would share the frame and core of L/19 EK1s. And, indeed, there are such EK2s... unmarked, but with the same frame and core as L/19 EK1s (these EK2s are always identified as Grossmanns, because they are also known marked 11 on the ring).

Now, all that being said, it's still possible that the EK2 I show above is a real Hoffstätter marked 8. But only this one example has surfaced marked (that I know). So it would be good to see some more. Fakers rarely bother to mark the same type of crosses with their fake stamps. So if we see more of this type marked 8, then that tells us something (in favor of Hoffstätter as the maker). But, on the other hand, if we see more of this stamp on other makers' crosses, that tells us something else entirely.

At this moment, with this cross, it's sort of a waiting game. Let's see what else turns up: more marked 8? More in Assmann packets? These things have a way of sorting themselves out over time.