German Cross in Gold - Zimmermann

[Dietrich Maerz]

Here you go Pieter.

Dietrich

[Dave Kane]

24 hours ago......"I can hear the roar of SILENCE from these VIP's already!!"

Why am I not surprised

[Dietrich Maerz]

Dave, neither am I and a lot of others! However, the thread is pretty conclusive..

Dietrich

[ChrisJ]

Fake

I have always regarded these as fake....
couple of points...DaveR's vet acquired version has something wrong with the top of the 2 and 0 as well (looks like someone has tried to correct the defect).
The 1941 on these looks like it was punched out by using a jewlers punch after the wreath was formed.
I would be happy to be proven wrong though.

[IVAN]

Hi,

As I said before, I would like to show the big differences from this comparison ( left is heavy Zimmermann and right a light one ):

- space between "2" and "0"
- "2" is not egual in any types, "0" too
- different printing of the maker mark in the metal
- different position of numbers between themself

[IVAN]

...and again, ( only because I like to study in every parts originals and reproductions DK ) I would like to see a photo of one of the DK showed in the position like this one below, where I can see the side of the svastika , then I will say why ............

( this photo come from Dieter thread in "for sale" section, Hope I can put it )

[tom hansen]

Ivan-


I checked my heavy and light zimmermans. I have the same difference in the shape of the "20". There are further differences in the "0" as well between the light and heavy crosses. I would imagine there were many "20" stamps in a shop. Why do you suppose there was a change? Why would there be a uniform difference between the late and early (light and heavy respectively) zimmermans with regard to the "20" stamps? Would they just ditch ALL the "old" "20" stamps and start with new stamps for the light version? Any thoughts?

Also, are you aware of any differences in the wreath at all between the heavy and light zimmerman crosses? Thanks

[CurtD]

Is there an expertise of one of these from Detlev? Please post it.

[IVAN]

Ivan-


I checked my heavy and light zimmermans. I have the same difference in the shape of the "20". There are further differences in the "0" as well between the light and heavy crosses. I would imagine there were many "20" stamps in a shop. Why do you suppose there was a change? Why would there be a uniform difference between the late and early (light and heavy respectively) zimmermans with regard to the "20" stamps? Would they just ditch ALL the "old" "20" stamps and start with new stamps for the light version? Any thoughts?

Also, are you aware of any differences in the wreath at all between the heavy and light zimmerman crosses? Thanks

Hi,

by my opinion yes, we cannot immagine there was only one stamp for it, but there were not "many" too. A number can change a bit in the style but, I repeat, never I have seen such a number style in all DK's 20 I ever seen. Early stamps worked good, numbers were full and done without flaws, then with the time, come some little flaws in numbers, "0" come a bit more high in the position, so I suppose the stamp was not a solid piece, the left side of "0" come more deep then the right side, but never I see numbers so clear as these ones without the top, for me is not a difect but they wanted to do so for some reason, maybe was not perfect, as was not perfect wreath and numbers 1941, so they have decited to do something totally different, people can think is a variant and they have not a comparison to do.
As I said, we can see in the examples showed in this thread how they come more good in finish, by hand.

No, there aren't differences in wreath in heavy and light type, in DK marked 20.
In DK marked L/52, there are few very little differences in wreath, but not in numbers, but their originality is again in discussion........

[David R.]

Hi guys
I have found two Dk dates with dots or dimples so far by doing a search.
here is one therad http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ighlight=Dk+20 I think it's on page 7 it's a Zimmermann
Also this thread post #6 it's a junckerhttp://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ighlight=Dk+20

Just food for thought
David R.

[George Stimson]

If that second one is Dietrich's and he still has it we should get super close-ups of those numbers soon!

[Dietrich Maerz]

David,

thanks for posting the links. I don't find page 7 on the first thread - it has only 6. Please give the post number.
The second thread: It is my Juncker and it has the 'famous' dimple at the top of the nine but the date numbers are not 'dimpled' (or whatever). George, another 2 min. job! And why should I sell a Juncker!!??

Dietrich

[George Stimson]

"George.... why should I sell a Juncker!!??"

I'm sorry. I don't know what I was thinking....

[David R.]

the first link was page #6 not 7 and post #79,the juncker date looked like it had dotsbut after a close up it does not ,so back to one
(The top gold Zimmermann on post 79)

Hi guys
I have found two Dk dates with dots or dimples so far by doing a search.
here is one therad http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ighlight=Dk+20 I think it's on page 7 it's a Zimmermann
Also this thread post #6 it's a junckerhttp://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ighlight=Dk+20

Just food for thought
David R.

[Dietrich Maerz]

David,

found it, but they are not the same.

Dietrich