Fake Silver War Merit Cross 2nd class without pin-back?

[saxpax]

Hi,

I found these two up for sale. However I notice that that the cross is silver (1st class) but instead of pin-back it has a loop for a ribbon. Please correct me if I'm wrong but If it is 2nd class it shouldn't be silver, and if it's 1st class it should be pin-back. Or am I missing something?

Also the war merrit medal ribbon doesn't look correct either according to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K...stmedaille.JPG

Thoughts? Thanks for helping a beginner out.

[Douglas 5]

Welcome :
On the left you have a late war - Zink - not silver - KvK with Swords with ribbon( not sure if ribbon is period)
On the right you have a KvK Medal . It should have the same ribbon as on the left . Ribbon with the Medal it is - wrong ! ...do not know what it belongs to ?

Douglas

[VonPeter]

As Douglas said its a zink 2:nd class KVK with what looks to be a good ribbon.
But the KVM should not have the same ribbon, the KVM ribbon has a red line in it, like this:


Both medals are in not so good condition and the KVK is missing the ribbon ring and the KVM is missing a ribbon so I wouldent bid to much on them.

/peter

[peterm]

[QUOTE=Douglas 5;5746739)
On the right you have a KvK Medal . It should have the same ribbon as on the left . Ribbon with the Medal it is - wrong ! ...do not know what it belongs to ?
[/QUOTE]

Douglas is right on the KVK, but the KVK-medal does NOT have the same ribbon as the KVK itself, because it has a small red stripe in the center.

Kind regards, Peter

[Douglas 5]

Thats right Peter ... forgot the red line .

Douglas

[saxpax]

Thanks for all the info and help guys! Nice spot regarding the missing ring!

Does that mean that it was produced with a thin bronzed-cover and that it has now worn off to only shows the underlaying zink?

[schönbeck]

yes but not worn off, the zink pieces are known to absorb the bronze finish