EK2 Spange - Deumer & Ziemer

[jwburchell]

These two EK 2nd Class clasps were part of a recently-acquired private collection. My homework on the Spange indicates that they are period originals - one being a Deumer (marked L/11) and the other an unmarked Ziemer & Sohne.

Both Spange came to me having been affixed by the previous owner to a doubled, 24 cm. piece of WWI EK2 ribbon. It has small loops on either side and a nice soft, silky feel to it and does not glow under black light, so I believe it to also be period original.

Opinions and feedback confirming or refuting this conclusion are requested, please.

Thanks and regards,

John

1. The Deumer:

[jwburchell]

Reverse views:

[Robert P.]

Deumer clasp looks good.

Robert

[jwburchell]

2. The presumed Ziemer & Sohne:

[jwburchell]

Reverse of Z&S and ribbon:

[Robert P.]

Ziemer looks good too.

Robert

[jwburchell]

Ribbon:

[CMSgt]

Spanges

Nice set. Jim

[jwburchell]

Thanks for the feedback.

Robert - Nice to see from your thread that you now also have a maker-marked Deumer. Congratulations!

John

[Robert P.]

Thanks John,

On the ribbons - WWI ribbons have a much tighter weave than WWII, from what I have found in my ribbons. In other words there are more weaves per inch in the WWI. Looking at yours they look like WWII-period ribbons. If you have a blacklight check them. They shouldn't glow in the dark. The 'loops' are identical on both sides of your ribbons, so I call them good, 'IMO.'

Your Ziemer & Sohne is a killer spange.

Robert

[jwburchell]

Thanks for your additional feedback, Robert. The ribbon is, in fact, one single piece and does not glow under black light.

John

[Robert P.]

You're welcome. If you happen to have any WWII EKII ribbon (red, white and black) look at it under a 10X loupe if you have one. You'll see the same, or close, to the same number of weaves per inch in the ribbon.

Robert

This looks like the same ribbon you have. It's WWII-era ribbon. Dealers (some of them) have stockpiled rolls of WWII-era WWI ribbon to fitout their imperial EKII's with.

[Robert P.]

For reference here are two EKII ribbons, a WWI-era and a WWII-era. Notice how many more weaves per inch there are in the original 1914 EKII ribbon than the WWII EKII ribbon...

Robert

[jwburchell]

Excellent feedback and reference, Robert. Much appreciated.

John