RK KvK w/o swords ... fake ???

[Matthieu]

Hi guys,

Picked this one up assuming its a postwar made copy, maybe either Souval or St&L.
However a buddy of mine said it does look good and advised me to post here.
Having handled only 1957 specimen, the odd Souval, but never the real deal, would appreciate some input.

FYI ... non-magnetic, quite heavy at 59,50 gram and marked with "935" in the ring.

Grtz
Mathijs

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Last ones ... thanks for looking.

Grtz,
Mathijs

[darobs]

935' would explain the weight (silver)

Are there any other numbers to the cross.

[Matthieu]

Are there any other numbers to the cross.

I assume you are meaning any marks like "1" on the bottom arm ?
If so, the "935" is the only mark on the entire cross - no other further marks.

[MH184]

Hi Mathijs,


In my opinion, your initial instinct and thoughts towards this very award are correct. The definition, detail and by the looks dimensions too, only compound towards a ''reproduction'' attempt.

I say reproduction, because for me personally, it inherently lacks the quality of post, '45, S&L and Souval crosses.

These aren't my forte, so please do wait for the more conversed of course.

Kind regards,


Marcus

[Alex W.]

Hi Mathijs,

it's a nice Souval post war KVK RK.

Alex

[MH184]

Hi Mathijs,

it's a nice Souval post war KVK RK.

Alex

I'll defer to your expertise, Alex.

However, In the post ''6'' that is some sloppy workmanship and finishing; all things considered, I'd have expected to see it substantially better than that from Souval.

Oh well, something else I've learned today.

Kind regards,

Marcus

[Alex W.]

I'll defer to your expertise, Alex.

However, In the post ''6'' that is some sloppy workmanship and finishing; all things considered, I'd have expected to see it substantially better than that from Souval.

Oh well, something else I've learned today.

Kind regards,

Marcus

Marcus,

this specific Rk KVK is actually what I call a "mid production" piece. Souval offered the KVK RK in two different qualities. This is the better one done in Sterling Silver.
Later Souval copies of this award show much more production flaws than those shown in post #6. As the years of post war production went by, the dies wore out more and more.

This here is a late production piece. Take a look at the reverse side. The cross guards reveal flaws due to a worn die. Even though being the expensive version done in silver the overall quality is not the same as on early pieces. This cross is unmarked, many other Souval KVK RKs do have a 800 or 935 stamp or the L/58 mm.












Alex

[MH184]

Alex,

Thank you so very much for this most comprehensive and informative response, I truly appreciate that

Kind regards,

Marcus

[Alex W.]

Alex,

Thank you so very much for this most comprehensive and informative response, I truly appreciate that

Kind regards,

Marcus

Marcus,

you are very welcome.

Alex

[Peter J.]

Alex, I assume Mathijs cross should be viewed as a fairly early piece (late 50s-early 60s), close to the period when the 1957 pieces were established. I've no intention to start a serious discussion on the topic, but isn't odd that both these parties chose to use the ribbed loop for the KVK w/o swords

cheers
Peter