Opinions needed on 3 KVK 1's with Swords

[peterwyndavies]

I would be grateful for opinions on these KVK 1's with Swords. I attach some pics.
Thanks,
Peter.

[peterwyndavies]

Couple more pics.

[peterwyndavies]

Second one.

[peterwyndavies]

Two more pics. Maker mark is undecipherable.

[peterwyndavies]

Third one, not maker marked.

[peterwyndavies]

2 more pics.

[Frank K]

Two first ones are good mm4 Steinhauer & Luck zincers. The mm is on top of the pin - the mark under the pin on no 2 is just scratches?

Again looks like black paint on the swaz on no 1 and 3 like on the kvk's wos!?

I'm not happy about the last one. The combo of hardware on the back doesn't ring any bells - very strange pin - and the overall look is wrong imo, no good.

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks Frank,
Peter.

[AndyC]

The two first ones are ok but i am not sure about the third


Andy

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks Andy,
The third definately seems to be iffy.
Thanks,
Peter.

[peterwyndavies]

Hi Frank,
I,ve just noticed that the maker mark on the first is 5 rather than 4.
Thanks,
Peter.

[Frank K]

You have a point, it looks like 5 but....

There are no KVK1 maker with the mark 5 and no 1 and 2 are very similar. Sword handles, pin etc is the same so bad pic, dirt, wear, who knows?

[BMB]

Hello Guys.
The last cross looks to be an Otto Schickle type of cross in my opinion.

Have a great day!
Martin

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks Frank and Martin,
It is odd that it looks like a 5 Frank, but none were made marked as such. It could be ba poor picture, I suppose that an in hand inspection would be the best here.
This chap Schickle certainly gets around Martin!
Thanks,
Peter.