Boerger Round 3

[CMSgt]

I have this EKI round 3 identified as a Boerger. Is this correct? Thanks for your help. Jim

[plaut]

As far as I know manufacturer of that type is still unknown.

[Woolgar]

Agreed

Nick

[streptile]

I agree, it's unknown. Boerger is only a possibility, and in my opinion not close to proven.

[Chris Boonzaier]

This is in a British/Colonial medal collection in South Africa, it is a group that starts in Sapian, goes through the battle of Britain, and the guy was killed later in the war. The Family moved to South Africa with the group and a collector friend bought it because he wanted a single representative German group. he had it for years and never even knew what a cool EK1 it was...

[Chris Boonzaier]

damn... seems I cannot post photos anymore.

It has just like the one above but has "22" on the pin.

[StefanK.]

I hope you dont mind that i post photos of the marking here.



I have to say that i dont believe in the Boerger-thing at all. The marking does not need to be a PKZ number at all nor must it be original. I personally think it was applied postwar at all.

Let's assume the round 3 was made by boerger:
We know that these round 3 are early. We also know that boerger made EK marked L/57 which must be earlier than the PKZ marked ones. Furterhmore we know that the round 3 EK and the boerger have totally different die characteristics. So if boerger made these round 3 EKs, they must have produced these first, then switched to the LDO style-EKs and then switched back to the round 3. Totally nonsense for me.

[CMSgt]

Boerger

The pin setup looks like a Boerger, here is a picture of my Boerger spange. Jim

[Chris Boonzaier]

I have to say that i dont believe in the Boerger-thing at all. The marking does not need to be a PKZ number at all nor must it be original. I personally think it was applied postwar at all.

The number does not need to be a
pkz ... agreed. But it is not postwar.

But this group was an untouched as a babys bum when it landed in the collection it is in.

The pilot died in the war, the family immigrated to South Africa, group stayed in a box until sold to a collector of British medals who wanted just one German group. He had it for years and for him it was/is just an EK1.

Thats the facts, more I cannot add.
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[streptile]

I have to say that i dont believe in the Boerger-thing at all.

I agree with Stefan. I think it's a possibility but I tend to doubt it. This cross has some things in common with some makers, but Boerger is not among them. The "22" mark is different, the frame is not a Boerger, the hardware is unknown on other Boergers. All in all, it doesn't (yet) add up to me.