VERY rare EK1 spange

[Patrick W]

Hi Guys

Thought I would show this example of the exceedingly rare Hymmen EK1 spange- this design has been observed marked L/53 and I believe also L/54. The L/.. stamp on this one is sadly unreadable.

The quality though is typical Hymmen- ie, not good!

Condition though on this one is mint with slightly polished up highlights...

[Patrick W]

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[Patrick W]

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[Rich G]

Ah yes, I remember this one from M&T. It is brute ugly.

[streptile]

Congratulations -- that really is a rare, beautiful, ugly bird -- in terrific condition too.

[steiner68]

I like it !!!

[tinmantis]

great condition
I'd love to hear the real story behind these...
I put them down 'logically' as L/53, but then we found one marked L/54, and one in an L/54 box
shame your mark is unreadable, but hey, what a rare bird! congrats!
regards
jon

[CMSgt]

Spanges

It is an L/53. Jim

[CMSgt]

Spanges

I believe that the L/53 and L/54 were made using different dies. The L/54 has a more pronounced peppling than the L/53. I have attached pictures of both, the L/53 is the top one. Although both of them have identical flaws in the date box.

[streptile]

Interesting. I think they are probably the same die, Jim, with the lighting and scan quality proving the differences. Can you scan both at the same time next to one another?

[JCM - 1963]

Ah yes, I remember this one from M&T. It is brute ugly.

Very true, I also remember this Spange .....

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=617622

Julio.

[Gew44]

Also for me same die, it's impossible to made 2 different tooling with same defect only in a specific area and nothing in others. The defects on bending or blanking die as same as fingerprints, no one same others, and these defect sometimes helping the collector to understanding the mark.

It could be purchased from other factory like Godet with Zimmermann with EKI.

Just my humble opinion after 10 years of Tooling constructions.

[CMSgt]

Spanges

Interesting. I think they are probably the same die, Jim, with the lighting and scan quality proving the differences. Can you scan both at the same time next to one another?

As requested. Jim

[streptile]

Many thanks Jim. In my opinion the dies are the same, it's just the largely intact frosting and finish on the left example that makes the pebbling appear different. Apart from the distinct flaws beneath the numerals (as you mentioned), I've pointed out some of the clearer areas of congruence in the pebbling (bigger, identifiab;e pebbles, or groups of pebbles, that stand out clearly through the finish) as well as another flaw within the wreath. I think it would be very difficult to duplicate these areas and flaws so exactly between two different dies.

[Gew44]

I agree with Streptile,
and one more area of congruence is showed below on left wing.

Those are twins.

Same tooling.