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    #2701
    RK preliminary award document to Major der Reserve Ernst Schneck
    Kommandeur I. / Grenadier-Regiment 698 / 342.Infanterie-Division
    Presented on: November 16th, 1944

    Schneck also got the CCCiG in 1945.
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      #2702
      RK formal award document to Hauptmann Josef-Otto Riepold
      Chef 5./PzRgt 5
      Presented on: July 29th, 1942
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        #2703
        RK formal award document to Oberstleutnant Josef Salminger
        Kommandeur III. / Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 98 / 1.Gebirgs-Division
        Presented on: August 31st, 1941
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          #2704
          Oak Leaves formal award document to General der Panzergruppen Ludwig Crüwell
          Kommandeur 11.Panzer-Division / Panzergruppe 1
          Presented on: September 1st, 1941

          (Photo credits to "Honoring Those They Led: Decorated Field Commanders of the Third Reich", by authors Mark C. Yerger and Leslie Fiorenza)
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            #2705
            RK preliminary award document to Hauptmann Horst-Günther von Fassong
            Kommandeur, III. Gruppe, Jagdgeschwader 11, Luftwaffe
            Presented on: July 27th, 1944

            (Photo credits to Emedals.com)
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            Last edited by Sepp45; 05-11-2017, 09:25 PM.

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              #2706
              Here is another photo, supposedly, of Fassong. The person in the photo from eMedals is an Oberleutnant and Fassong was awarded the RK 2 months after he was promoted to Hauptmann. Wrong photo? Right photo and couldn't get the correct insignia for his uniform?

              12.02.43 Oblt., appt Staka 10./JG 51.
              20.09.43 Oblt., awarded Ehrenpokal.
              17.10.43 Oblt., awarded DKG, 10./JG 51.
              04.44 Oblt., Staka 10./JG 51, appt Staka 7./JG 11 (to 05.44).
              01.05.44 promo to Hptm.
              05.44 appt Kdr. III./JG 11 (to 01.01.45).
              27.07.44 Hptm., awarded Ritterkreuz, Kdr. III./JG 11.
              01.01.45 Hptm. and Kdr. III./JG 11, MIA
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                #2707
                Hi Leroy, thanks for the info and input on the picture. You are correct, it's not Fassong! I will leave the KC doc only and remove the photo

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                  #2708
                  RK awarded to Generalmajor Johannes Bruhn
                  Artillerie Kommandeur 149
                  Awarded on: December 20th, 1943

                  (Photo credits to team-militaria.de)
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                    #2709
                    Front and back of Johannes Bruhn's KC

                    (Photo credits to team-militaria.de)
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                      #2710
                      A few more photos of Bruhn and his KC urkunde

                      (Photo credits to team-militaria.de)
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                        #2711
                        Hello

                        Am I the only one to find the KC preliminary document strange?

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                          #2712
                          Hello Denis!

                          Yes, you are only one.

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                            #2713
                            Yes, I feel alone; thanks for replying !!

                            So let's go for the reasons and based on close up views from the original website

                            I have to admit that at first glance, the doc was nice looking and not raising any doubts.

                            - The diploma pattern is the correct one for this period; the one presented here is the very final one used from mid February 44 onwards but has never been used for diploma granted in Dec. 43
                            - HP-A rubber stamp, although close, present radical discrepancies (especially on the 2 stars on each side which are too thin and the P of Personalamt whose the very particular shape has never been encountered so far
                            - Finally, when looking closely at the Burgdorf signature, the B is too long while usual ones are much in a 'water drop' shape; added to that the beginnign of the signature present a draw not frankly made as you would expect to see.

                            Here are the reasons why I feel this document doubtful; too many variances sending back a negative feeling for me.
                            Interested to read other members' input on this doc

                            Denis

                            PS: The "Zweitzschrift" alternative (replacement one, usually duly mentioned at the top) woumd have been a reason to justify the diploma pattern change but Zweitschrift diploma were obviously made several months (when not talking years) after the bestowal date, not 6 days as it is displayed here...

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                              #2714
                              Hello Denis!

                              I understand your doubts but i do not see everything so scary.

                              RK EK VB's of Faulhaber, Borck, Hofbauer, Behnke... and many other ,,date neighbors" of Johannes Bruhn let me sleep peacefully.

                              BR
                              D.

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                                #2715
                                Originally posted by DDD777 View Post
                                Hello Denis!

                                I understand your doubts but i do not see everything so scary.

                                RK EK VB's of Faulhaber, Borck, Hofbauer, Behnke... and many other ,,date neighbors" of Johannes Bruhn let me sleep peacefully.

                                BR
                                D.

                                Hello D

                                Yes, using Behnke's, Borck's, Hofbauer's RK diploma whose signature dates are very close of the Bruhn document is really a good way to highlight signifcant discrepancies (the primary one being the diploma pattern) but I don't want to continue to troll Sepp's nice & so interesting thread.

                                If you or other fellow member wants to take time to discuss it in the Paper forum and in a brand new thread, I will be glad to illustrate my opinion with several examples.

                                KR
                                Denis

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